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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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That linked NY Times article puts a $125K estimated price on the LS600H. But from what I've been told it's more in the $100-105K range. Misprint or does the Times really know something?? Well I'll see what I can find out. I'll be at the auto show twice now - once on business and once with family and friends. |
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Replying to: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 7:10 pm) ljflx, well said. In the same analogy . . . people have paid a premium for ICE displacement upgrades for years, opting for more power and paying for it, without any benefit to fuel efficiency . . . heck, traditionally we've all ended up with hungrier engines if we wanted more power. We literally paid more for the privilege of burning more fuel. This LS hybrid is different. You get more power AND greater fuel efficiency. Do the math any way you want to. That sounds like a winning formula to me. ljflx, you said you are on TWO lists, not just one. Which two? TagMan |
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Replying to: stevekilburn (Apr 12, 2006 4:36 pm) Gosh, the more I look at this LS600hL, the more I like it. TagMan |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Apr 12, 2006 2:35 pm) I think we didn't see 500hp because at that point the MPG would have made the whole exercise pointless, IMO. M |
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Replying to: oac (Apr 12, 2006 4:31 pm) Dr Fill hasn't said a word and both the LS600h and LS460 threads on the future boards are very quiet. I sense a great letdown among a lot of Lexolites. M
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Replying to: oac (Apr 12, 2006 5:21 pm) Do you really think car executives from MB/BMW would actually be seen physically running beause of a Lexus, no matter how awed/shocked/worried they were about the car? It isn't as if they can do anything about it in a meeting at the auto show. M |
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Replying to: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 1:35 pm) There hasn't even been a real diesel push yet in the U.S. by any of the German luxury brands and Mercedes doesn't even advertise the E320 CDI that much because they aren't yet able to sell it in NY or Cali which are two of their biggest markets. If all the hurdles are cleared and a 50 state diesel is possible MB, BMW and Audi will sell diesels in good numbers. I know Mercedes will, wanna place a gentleman's bet on it?  The only hybrid that I know of that is in constant demand is the Prius all the others seem to range from ok to not selling well. I still don't see the point of a GS450h when the GS460 is going to cost likely less with more power. To have a GS450h to save a few gallons of gass with a much smaller trunk than the already too small trunk of the GS430? Doesn't really make sense to me. Then there is the fact that Lexus will only sell 2K units a year, hardly enough for any other luxury maker to take the GS450h seriously. Now the LS600h may be a different story, but the S600 obviously has nothing worry about nor does the 760Li, but the LS600h does make an interesting alternative to the S550/750Li. M |
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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 8:26 pm) Remember how the 4.6L (LS460) engine puts out same HP as the 5.5L in the S550 ? And the LS460 is already in the low 5s range 0-60. Don't let the 430HP fool you... Its the gobs of torque from the battery and the larger V8 motor that makes this car run like a gazelle... Rumor has it that Lexus has the car pegged to the 4.7 - 4.9s 0-60 (S600 range), and an array of gadgets to really be revolutionary, a la 1989 all over again. What was revealed today were bare-bones.... Since the car is 1 year away, lots remain hidden by Lexus, to be revealed much much later... This car will challenge MB/BMW/Audi, but most especially the S600 despite the HP advantage for the latter... Guess we'll see.
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Replying to: oac (Apr 12, 2006 8:53 pm) They have to balance all this power while trying to get the right MPG numbers not an easy thing to do. Turn down the hp and give up performance to the competition and run the risk of making the car pointless next to the LS460, or turn up the hp and kill the MPG numbers in order to give comparable performance to a V12. The engineering in play here is unearthly for sure, I'll give you that. I can see a good number of S550/750Li/A8 intenders being interested in this car no doubt, it is still impressive though I expected more. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 8:38 pm) There may NOT be a GS460 afterall... Lexus may simply one-up the market by putting the 5L V8 in the new GS and IS, and make these the sporty versions, while the GS450H becomes the cousin to the 2007 GS350 arriving this Fall. Now the LS600h may be a different story, but the S600 obviously has nothing worry about nor does the 760Li, but the LS600h does make an interesting alternative to the S550/750Li. Still speculation for now, but something tells me MB is not thinking like you. They will see the LS600hL as a direct competitor to the S600. The LS460L is a match for the S550/750iL, so expect the 600hL to go right against the S600/760iL/A8L... Don't think so ? Just wait and see...
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