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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 11:13 am) I will confess here, since you ask, that I have considered placing a deposit on a 2009 Porsche Panamera, however. Yes, I agree that the LS and S will dominate. What will Audi, Jaguar, and even BMW have in their arsenals to compete? TagMan
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I am curious as to why this auto seems to be so unpopular. I have never owned or driven one but I looked one over the other day and it was a very fine looking auto. In fact it looked as good as any I have seen lately. Some of you experts have the skinny on this car so please share. Thanks in advance.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Apr 12, 2006 12:27 pm) Wait a couple years and the Q will be redone (hopefully as much as the M was redone). |
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Replying to: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 8:24 am) I think you guys may have hyped yourselves up a little to much and were expecting too much. Truthfully though I too expected 500hp, but it would take a miracle to get V6-like fuel economy with 500 horses of any kind. M
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Replying to: syswei (Apr 12, 2006 6:12 am) Long over-due! Even the steering wheel looks much better! I will be checking out the new LS 460 even though I'm a BMW man. Call it natural curiosity. I also agree that HELM's will be dominated by MB and Lexus. People in this rarified price range usually place luxury over performance, as well they should, and hence, it is not a comfortable segment for BMW to be competing in. Thanks for the photo link!
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Replying to: hpowders (Apr 12, 2006 12:50 pm) Reading the press release, I would say that there is a huge emphasis on luxury over handling. My guess is that once it hits the showrooms, almost any BMW fan is bound to be disappointed by the LS600.
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Replying to: syswei (Apr 12, 2006 12:56 pm) 12 cylinder power with 8 cylinder fuel economy sounds enticing enough for me to try one next spring. Very impressed with the photos. The LS is the HELM of choice in my community. Shouldn't take long after the release of the LS460 in October for me to spot one. I read that the new Camry's handling has been improved. I would expect the LS to follow suit. |
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 12, 2006 11:26 am) I don't think anyone is holding anything in the dark on diesels. This isn't a global issue. MB and BMW badly need success in the american market. If there's a marketable diesel car there and I'm a fierce competitor I'd let the world know what's coming. If the gas hybrids get too far away from the pack then this is a repeat of Secretariats record breaking Belmont in speed and distance.
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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 12:48 pm) And all this from 7.0L's of pushrod V-8 american muscle. True enough it weighs about 1500 pounds lighter than the upcoming 4th-gen LS, but it's technology is old school compared to the LS. So Toyota/Lexus can definetely squeeze 20/25-30 mpg out of this more modern powertrain with careful engineering, in typical Toyota fashion. I read in Autocar that Toyota re-engineered the HSD specifically for this car due to it's more explosive technology and higher curb weight over other HSD hybrid-equipped cars.
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The new LS is a total knockout. The car makes the current model look dated, not very much so, but it is noticeable. But I do have one little niggle with it. I can't help but see a little 7-Series backed into the rear fender and 1/4 panel sections. And where the rear roofline tapers off, it is vaguely familiar of the '02-'06 Camry/ES. But this is in no way a dis to the new car. The L-Finesse styling works here best, IMO. The car is definetely a looker. Let's just hope Lexus didn't forget about the bones and rubber department this go 'round. I suspect that the LS600hL hooked up to AWD will surely have a tighter handle on twisties and quick directional changes over the somewhat delayed reaction of the current model, albeit still a step or two behind the best from Europe. |
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