High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#14730 of 24700 Re: Initial impression [oac] by tagman Apr 12, 2006 (11:00 am)
Replying to: oac (Apr 12, 2006 10:53 am) Good post, Tagman... Well said indeed. In fact, much better than a Lexican will say it. Are u sure u are not secretly harboring buying an LS460L or 600hL ?? HA! Thanks, oac. No, I'm afraid not, but if I were to want one I'd have placed myself on one or more of the lists along with ljflx and others. And I would strongly encourage anyone who is even thinking about getting one to get on a waiting list ASAP. TagMan Replies to this message: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 11:13 am) tagman (Apr 12, 2006 11:26 am) ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 1:35 pm) and 10 more...
#14731 of 24700 Re: Initial impression [tagman] by ljflx Apr 12, 2006 (11:13 am)
Replying to: tagman (Apr 12, 2006 11:00 am) Tagman - are you going to look at buying or leasing the new S or the LWB or hybrid LS? Right now it's scary to think about how inevitable it is that these two cars will dominate this segment in 2007. Benzster - why? Looks real bad when you need to pull out a $350K car to beat a car that will be less than a third of its price - plus that car is not selling and has been a major disappointment. Replies to this message: tagman (Apr 12, 2006 11:26 am) ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 1:35 pm) tagman (Apr 12, 2006 2:58 pm) and 1 more... designman (Apr 12, 2006 4:00 pm) merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 8:38 pm) and 6 more...
#14732 of 24700 Re: Initial impression [ljflx] by tagman Apr 12, 2006 (11:26 am)
Replying to: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 11:13 am) You might think this is ridiculous, but I somehow have found myself semi-interested in the diesel market's expansion here, and I want to see just what unfolds. I might change my mind over time, but at this moment that is where I seem to be. I am suspicious that the manufacturers are withhoding some of the information on upcoming diesels, to prevent risking loss of important current sales. Admittedly, I could easily be completely wrong about this, however. Surprised? I will confess here, since you ask, that I have considered placing a deposit on a 2009 Porsche Panamera, however. Yes, I agree that the LS and S will dominate. What will Audi, Jaguar, and even BMW have in their arsenals to compete? TagMan Replies to this message: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 1:35 pm) tagman (Apr 12, 2006 2:58 pm) ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 3:48 pm) designman (Apr 12, 2006 4:00 pm) merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 8:38 pm) oac (Apr 12, 2006 9:14 pm) and 1 more... tagman (Apr 12, 2006 9:40 pm) and 1 more... hpowders (Apr 13, 2006 12:14 am) and 1 more...
#14733 of 24700 Infinity Q 45 by houdini1 Apr 12, 2006 (12:27 pm)
I am curious as to why this auto seems to be so unpopular. I have never owned or driven one but I looked one over the other day and it was a very fine looking auto. In fact it looked as good as any I have seen lately. Some of you experts have the skinny on this car so please share. Thanks in advance. Replies to this message: docnukem (Apr 12, 2006 12:41 pm) lexusguy (Apr 13, 2006 6:55 am) designman (Apr 13, 2006 8:04 am)
#14734 of 24700 Re: Infinity Q 45 [houdini1] by docnukem Apr 12, 2006 (12:41 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Apr 12, 2006 12:27 pm) I believe most people find the styling rather bland. Currently, though, the M45 has the same engine, a better platform, more interior space, and all the technology one could ask for; all for less money. I did not look at the luxury appointments, but I assume the Q beats the M in that regard. Wait a couple years and the Q will be redone (hopefully as much as the M was redone).
#14735 of 24700 Re: Australian press release LS600h [ljflx] by merc1 Apr 12, 2006 (12:48 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 8:24 am) Could be but I doubt it, that doesn't happen very often with luxury car makers, in fact the only difference is usually a conversion issue, not specific tweaking for different markets. I can't think of one luxury car that has more power for certain markets and less for others. I think you guys may have hyped yourselves up a little to much and were expecting too much. Truthfully though I too expected 500hp, but it would take a miracle to get V6-like fuel economy with 500 horses of any kind. M Replies to this message: blkhemi (Apr 12, 2006 2:35 pm) merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 8:21 pm) designman (Apr 12, 2006 3:59 pm) oac (Apr 12, 2006 4:31 pm) merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 8:26 pm) oac (Apr 12, 2006 8:53 pm) and 5 more...
#14736 of 24700 Re: U.S. press release LS600hL [syswei] by hpowders Apr 12, 2006 (12:50 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Apr 12, 2006 6:12 am) Very impressive improvement style-wise, IMO, judging by those photos. Long over-due! Even the steering wheel looks much better! I will be checking out the new LS 460 even though I'm a BMW man. Call it natural curiosity. I also agree that HELM's will be dominated by MB and Lexus. People in this rarified price range usually place luxury over performance, as well they should, and hence, it is not a comfortable segment for BMW to be competing in. Thanks for the photo link! Replies to this message: syswei (Apr 12, 2006 12:56 pm) hpowders (Apr 12, 2006 1:03 pm)
#14737 of 24700 Re: U.S. press release LS600hL [hpowders] by syswei Apr 12, 2006 (12:56 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Apr 12, 2006 12:50 pm) I will be checking out the new LS even though I'm a BMW man. Reading the press release, I would say that there is a huge emphasis on luxury over handling. My guess is that once it hits the showrooms, almost any BMW fan is bound to be disappointed by the LS600. Replies to this message: hpowders (Apr 12, 2006 1:03 pm)
#14738 of 24700 Re: U.S. press release LS600hL [syswei] by hpowders Apr 12, 2006 (1:03 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Apr 12, 2006 12:56 pm) I don't know. 12 cylinder power with 8 cylinder fuel economy sounds enticing enough for me to try one next spring. Very impressed with the photos. The LS is the HELM of choice in my community. Shouldn't take long after the release of the LS460 in October for me to spot one. I read that the new Camry's handling has been improved. I would expect the LS to follow suit.
#14739 of 24700 Re: Initial impression [tagman] by ljflx Apr 12, 2006 (1:35 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Apr 12, 2006 11:26 am) I thought you'd be an S-class buyer but holdout till the LS600 release and then be torn between the two. I don't think anyone is holding anything in the dark on diesels. This isn't a global issue. MB and BMW badly need success in the american market. If there's a marketable diesel car there and I'm a fierce competitor I'd let the world know what's coming. If the gas hybrids get too far away from the pack then this is a repeat of Secretariats record breaking Belmont in speed and distance. Replies to this message: tagman (Apr 12, 2006 2:58 pm) ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 3:48 pm) designman (Apr 12, 2006 4:00 pm) merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 8:38 pm) oac (Apr 12, 2006 9:14 pm) merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 9:19 pm) tagman (Apr 12, 2006 9:40 pm) merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 10:12 pm) hpowders (Apr 13, 2006 12:14 am) syswei (Apr 13, 2006 3:34 am)