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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Excitement Over The Upcoming Lexus ES350? [blkhemi] by lexusguy
Apr 12, 2006 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Apr 11, 2006 5:41 pm)

Indeed the 278hp LS430 is no longer competitive, which is why its being replaced with the LS460. For whatever reason, ever since the GS400 was released in '98, its had more horses than the LS400\430.
 
I think you misunderstood the point of my post about the Northstar in the Lucerne. The engine is indeed very capable, but in crippled Buick form, and with just 4-cogs to work with and two tons of car to move (some 400lbs. more than the Avalon) its just not good enough. Ultimately another average GM product.
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Re: Initial impression [tagman] by benzster
Apr 12, 2006 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 12, 2006 8:28 am)

This LS600hL will be an ultimate HELM
Without exception??
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Re: Initial impression [tagman] by benzster
Apr 12, 2006 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 12, 2006 8:28 am)

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Re: Initial impression [benzster] by tagman
Apr 12, 2006 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: benzster (Apr 12, 2006 9:32 am)

Don't misunderstand, benzster. I said "an" ultimate HELM, not "THE" ultimate HELM. Certainly there are higher tiers and other incredible HELMs. The sophistication, however, of this upcoming LS600hL is unique in some ways, and it is historically noteworthy, IMO, and deserves respect for its accomplishments. The long wheelbase LS has good presence and elegance and it represents the most attractive Lexus I have seen to date.
 
Most on this forum know that I have had my issues with Lexus styling blandness for a long time, but I think that this new one in the long wheelbase has finally reached a level of styling that I will not hammer. I have not seen the car in person, of course, but even though I am a huge Euro car fan, especially the German marques, I find this new Lexus LS600hL to be an amazing achievement, IMHO.
 
Interesting you would reach to a Maybach to upstage it. And, yes, the Maybach is an ultimate HELM, no doubt.
 
I don't think it will hurt some of us German car fans to give credit where it is due. Our favorite German cars are still awesome and will not be destroyed by this Japanese achievement. But I can not stand by and deny the LS600hL its proper accolades . . . particularly on its official debut day. There will be plenty of time to discover its true nature, pros abd cons, as time unfolds.
 
 
 
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Re: Initial impression [tagman] by oac
Apr 12, 2006 (10:53 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 12, 2006 10:31 am)

Good post, Tagman... Well said indeed. In fact, much better than a Lexican will say it. Are u sure u are not secretly harboring buying an LS460L or 600hL ??
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Re: Initial impression [oac] by tagman
Apr 12, 2006 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: oac (Apr 12, 2006 10:53 am)

Good post, Tagman... Well said indeed. In fact, much better than a Lexican will say it. Are u sure u are not secretly harboring buying an LS460L or 600hL ??
 
HA! Thanks, oac. No, I'm afraid not, but if I were to want one I'd have placed myself on one or more of the lists along with ljflx and others. And I would strongly encourage anyone who is even thinking about getting one to get on a waiting list ASAP.
 
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Re: Initial impression [tagman] by ljflx
Apr 12, 2006 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 12, 2006 11:00 am)

Tagman - are you going to look at buying or leasing the new S or the LWB or hybrid LS? Right now it's scary to think about how inevitable it is that these two cars will dominate this segment in 2007.
 
Benzster - why? Looks real bad when you need to pull out a $350K car to beat a car that will be less than a third of its price - plus that car is not selling and has been a major disappointment.
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Re: Initial impression [ljflx] by tagman
Apr 12, 2006 (11:26 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 11:13 am)

You might think this is ridiculous, but I somehow have found myself semi-interested in the diesel market's expansion here, and I want to see just what unfolds. I might change my mind over time, but at this moment that is where I seem to be. I am suspicious that the manufacturers are withhoding some of the information on upcoming diesels, to prevent risking loss of important current sales. Admittedly, I could easily be completely wrong about this, however. Surprised?
 
I will confess here, since you ask, that I have considered placing a deposit on a 2009 Porsche Panamera, however.
 
Yes, I agree that the LS and S will dominate. What will Audi, Jaguar, and even BMW have in their arsenals to compete?
 
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Infinity Q 45 by houdini1
Apr 12, 2006 (12:27 pm)
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I am curious as to why this auto seems to be so unpopular. I have never owned or driven one but I looked one over the other day and it was a very fine looking auto. In fact it looked as good as any I have seen lately. Some of you experts have the skinny on this car so please share. Thanks in advance.

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