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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Australian press release LS600h [syswei] by merc1
Apr 12, 2006 (4:32 am)
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Replying to: syswei (Apr 12, 2006 3:32 am)

Well if those specs hold up then they'll be going after the 750 and S550, not the 760 and S600. Should be some good reading all over the net in a few hours!!!
 
What I find even more interesting is that they have a 5L V8 to use somewhere. Toyota isn't going to build a 5L V8 for just one car. I suspect this new 5L will be used in that often talked about IS500 and LF-A sports car.
 
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While this should be saved for the LS600h forum, by drfill
Apr 12, 2006 (4:57 am)
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It will need to be substantially above the 460 in power to support the rather huge jump in curb weight.
 
   50HP isn't enough. Unless you want a slower car than the 460.
  
   DrFill
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Re: While this should be saved for the LS600h forum, [drfill] by designman
Apr 12, 2006 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: drfill (Apr 12, 2006 4:57 am)

Keeping it here is just fine. You Lexicans need other points of view to keep you sober. You know, when you guys sit at the same table and start drinking that Kool-Aid I start to get a little worried about ya.
 
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LS600hL press conference by syswei
Apr 12, 2006 (5:50 am)
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I forgot to tune in until about 9:40, so only caught the last few minutes. Did they say anything of interest that isn't in the Australian press release?
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U.S. press release LS600hL by syswei
Apr 12, 2006 (6:12 am)
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Much more detailed than the Australian release, and you can click on the picture to access a picture gallery
 
press release
 
direct link to picture gallery
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LS600hL Lexus website by syswei
Apr 12, 2006 (7:16 am)
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here
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Re: U.S. press release LS600hL [syswei] by oac
Apr 12, 2006 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: syswei (Apr 12, 2006 6:12 am)

The press release stated AWD as the drivetrain, yet it is almost ignored throughout, i.e., not hyped as the first LS with AWD, but first XM-factory install hyped ! Strange... Overall, the press release is scant on information... typical Toyota/Lexus. No TQ number was even speculated, which means they are still working out the final HP/TQ numbers. I suspect the HP would probably be substantially more than 430. Like DrFill said, a 50HP bump from the LS460 --> LS600h wouldn't cut it, with the added weight from the battery and AWD. A 2-stage CVT tranny is very nice, and of course finally an LS for all-terrain. How AWD and VDIM will work together should be interesting, cos there is no Lexus with such a combo setup.
 
I must say I was NOT overwhelmed with the info in the press release. Maybe in time as more info trickles out of Lexus I'll get real excited. For now, I'll adopt a wait-n-see attitude with this car. Of course, my interest is in the SWB LS460. 380HP is plenty for me... My current 278HP LS400 has plenty of pep, and passing power.
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Re: U.S. press release LS600hL [oac] by designman
Apr 12, 2006 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: oac (Apr 12, 2006 7:30 am)

380hp 370lb-ft Approximate. They’re just not giving the details of the engine vs electric motor. The Rx400h spec sheet just lists total system power and no torque, no RPM. That’s as vague as it gets. Is it any different in the catalog? Just asking. It’s hard to parse hybrid power and compare it with a lone engine anyway. It seems there is no convention yet for presenting hybrid performance data.
 
And no weight spec. I hate that. I'm guessing it will be at least 4700 lbs. I wouldn't be counting on a 5-sec 0-60.
 
How AWD and VDIM will work together should be interesting, cos there is no Lexus with such a combo setup.
 
Doesn’t the Rx400h have AWD and VDIM?
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Re: Australian press release LS600h [merc1] by ljflx
Apr 12, 2006 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 4:32 am)

Merc,
 
Could be different tweaked power for different countries. As well there's been this rumored lux sedan that comes in above all of the LS cars that will be even more powerful than this one in the $110-130K range. If the latter is true you have to ask the question (to all lux brands for that matter) of how much is too much.
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Initial impression by tagman
Apr 12, 2006 (8:28 am)
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Initially, I think the car is quite attractive. The long wheelbase adds a degree of "elegance" I've personally not ever seen in a Lexus. The black looks terrific, but I imagine other colors will work well.
 
I do not like the way the rear center "cocktail tray" is directly over many of the multi media controls . . . a little spillage might do a lot more damage than in other configurations, and I definately frown upon the pull down monitor, as it is more common in mainstream suv's. Most upper end installations use individual headrest monitors. I'll hope that by the time the vehicle is released, there will be individual color monitors in the back of the front headrests, but that may just be wishful thinking.
 
There are no angles from the photos that I find disturbing. As much as I absolutely love the new Mercedes S-Class, the rear trunk bugs me (just a little, though) at a 45-degree angle from the rear. Other angles are wonderful, though.
 
I will withhold too much comment on the powertrain, as I am not yet clear on all the vitals, but the AWD is a pleasant surprise.
 
To me, this vehicle is a testimony to the potential level of technological achievement that is possible in one single production car. Lexus is to be congratulated for putting forth so much effort into this incredible vehicle and, IMO, raising the bar and challenging the entire industry. This LS600hL will be an ultimate HELM, and anyone that ends up with one should drive it proudly, IMO.
 
TagMan

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