High End Luxury Cars

24685 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2009 at 4:40 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#14712 of 24685 Re: Hey, hey, HEY! [merc1] by syswei Apr 12, 2006 (2:47 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Apr 11, 2006 9:27 pm) My guess is 440-450hp, enough to edge out the 760Li, but not the twin-turbo S600. Unless, of course, the 5-liter rumor turns out to be correct.
#14713 of 24685 Australian press release LS600h by syswei Apr 12, 2006 (3:32 am)
press release 5-liter, "more than 320kW" (320kW=429hp) Replies to this message: merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 4:32 am) ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 8:24 am) merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 12:48 pm) and 11 more...
#14714 of 24685 Re: Australian press release LS600h [syswei] by merc1 Apr 12, 2006 (4:32 am)
Replying to: syswei (Apr 12, 2006 3:32 am) Well if those specs hold up then they'll be going after the 750 and S550, not the 760 and S600. Should be some good reading all over the net in a few hours!!! What I find even more interesting is that they have a 5L V8 to use somewhere. Toyota isn't going to build a 5L V8 for just one car. I suspect this new 5L will be used in that often talked about IS500 and LF-A sports car. M Replies to this message: ljflx (Apr 12, 2006 8:24 am) merc1 (Apr 12, 2006 12:48 pm) blkhemi (Apr 12, 2006 2:35 pm) and 1 more... designman (Apr 12, 2006 3:59 pm) oac (Apr 12, 2006 4:31 pm) and 7 more...
#14715 of 24685 While this should be saved for the LS600h forum, by drfill Apr 12, 2006 (4:57 am)
It will need to be substantially above the 460 in power to support the rather huge jump in curb weight. 50HP isn't enough. Unless you want a slower car than the 460. DrFill Replies to this message: designman (Apr 12, 2006 5:43 am)
#14716 of 24685 Re: While this should be saved for the LS600h forum, [drfill] by designman Apr 12, 2006 (5:43 am)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 12, 2006 4:57 am) Keeping it here is just fine. You Lexicans need other points of view to keep you sober. You know, when you guys sit at the same table and start drinking that Kool-Aid I start to get a little worried about ya.
#14717 of 24685 LS600hL press conference by syswei Apr 12, 2006 (5:50 am)
I forgot to tune in until about 9:40, so only caught the last few minutes. Did they say anything of interest that isn't in the Australian press release?
#14718 of 24685 U.S. press release LS600hL by syswei Apr 12, 2006 (6:12 am)
Much more detailed than the Australian release, and you can click on the picture to access a picture gallery press release direct link to picture gallery Replies to this message: oac (Apr 12, 2006 7:30 am) designman (Apr 12, 2006 8:01 am) hpowders (Apr 12, 2006 12:50 pm) syswei (Apr 12, 2006 12:56 pm) hpowders (Apr 12, 2006 1:03 pm)
#14719 of 24685 LS600hL Lexus website by syswei Apr 12, 2006 (7:16 am)
here
#14720 of 24685 Re: U.S. press release LS600hL [syswei] by oac Apr 12, 2006 (7:30 am)
Replying to: syswei (Apr 12, 2006 6:12 am) The press release stated AWD as the drivetrain, yet it is almost ignored throughout, i.e., not hyped as the first LS with AWD, but first XM-factory install hyped ! Strange... Overall, the press release is scant on information... typical Toyota/Lexus. No TQ number was even speculated, which means they are still working out the final HP/TQ numbers. I suspect the HP would probably be substantially more than 430. Like DrFill said, a 50HP bump from the LS460 --> LS600h wouldn't cut it, with the added weight from the battery and AWD. A 2-stage CVT tranny is very nice, and of course finally an LS for all-terrain. How AWD and VDIM will work together should be interesting, cos there is no Lexus with such a combo setup. I must say I was NOT overwhelmed with the info in the press release. Maybe in time as more info trickles out of Lexus I'll get real excited. For now, I'll adopt a wait-n-see attitude with this car. Of course, my interest is in the SWB LS460. 380HP is plenty for me... My current 278HP LS400 has plenty of pep, and passing power. Replies to this message: designman (Apr 12, 2006 8:01 am)
#14721 of 24685 Re: U.S. press release LS600hL [oac] by designman Apr 12, 2006 (8:01 am)
Replying to: oac (Apr 12, 2006 7:30 am) 380hp 370lb-ft Approximate. They’re just not giving the details of the engine vs electric motor. The Rx400h spec sheet just lists total system power and no torque, no RPM. That’s as vague as it gets. Is it any different in the catalog? Just asking. It’s hard to parse hybrid power and compare it with a lone engine anyway. It seems there is no convention yet for presenting hybrid performance data. And no weight spec. I hate that. I'm guessing it will be at least 4700 lbs. I wouldn't be counting on a 5-sec 0-60. How AWD and VDIM will work together should be interesting, cos there is no Lexus with such a combo setup. Doesn’t the Rx400h have AWD and VDIM?