High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#14692 of 24700 Re: I've seen fit to start a LS600h discussion in Future Vehicles! [drfill] by tagman Apr 11, 2006 (1:39 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 11, 2006 1:10 pm) No doubt the LS600h will be an ultimate car of sorts, but come on, Doc, prescribe yourself a valium . . . lest we find you strapped in to that rear seat massager screaming " pleeeeeease don't take me away!" Actually your irrational exuberance is fun, but do you think it's contagious, and we'll all be bowing down to the LS 600h? Think again. TagMan
#14693 of 24700 Hey, hey, HEY! by drfill Apr 11, 2006 (1:52 pm)
Irrational? What's up with that? You ain't right. Starting tomorrow, a Yellow Brick Road runs down 11th Avenue, and doesn't end until we meet the Wonderful Wizard of Oz! You seem to be applying for the part of the Scarecrow! I'll be Dorothy. A very studly Dorothy! Now what could be irrational about that? DrFill Replies to this message: pat (Apr 11, 2006 2:26 pm) tagman (Apr 11, 2006 4:38 pm) oac (Apr 11, 2006 6:23 pm) merc1 (Apr 11, 2006 9:27 pm) syswei (Apr 12, 2006 2:47 am)
#14694 of 24700 Re: Merc, I already won this argument! [lexusguy] by hpowders Apr 11, 2006 (2:02 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 11, 2006 11:14 am) Why shouldn't the American public not like the Camry hybrid? Why after only around 100,000 miles of fill-ups. they will get their $2965 premium back. Not to mention the 10.6 cubic feet of trunk space for the hybrid vs the 12.4 cubic feet for the regular Camry. I will not be joining the hybrid bandwagon anytime soon and hope that BMW steers clear of this ridiculousness. Replies to this message: pat (Apr 11, 2006 2:26 pm) houdini1 (Apr 11, 2006 3:28 pm)
#14695 of 24700 Re: Hey, hey, HEY! [drfill] by pat HOST Apr 11, 2006 (2:26 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 11, 2006 1:52 pm) What might be considered irrational is the continuing off-topic comments ...
#14696 of 24700 Re: Merc, I already won this argument! [hpowders] by pat HOST Apr 11, 2006 (2:26 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Apr 11, 2006 2:02 pm) Is a Camry a HELM? Replies to this message: houdini1 (Apr 11, 2006 3:28 pm)
#14697 of 24700 Re: Merc, I already won this argument! [pat] by houdini1 Apr 11, 2006 (3:28 pm)
Replying to: pat (Apr 11, 2006 2:26 pm) Depends on how you define "is". Sorry, couldn't help myself!
#14698 of 24700 Re: Excitement Over The Upcoming Lexus ES350? [lexusguy] by blkhemi Apr 11, 2006 (3:39 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 10, 2006 7:26 pm) "The ES continues to be a great value, and it makes the Zephyr and Lucerne look like dinosaurs......." Let's just face it. In no way are the new millenium middle-agers going to take the Lucy or Zephyr over the ES. With everyone knowing Lexus'incredible quality and near stratispheric resale values, it's a sure winner in it's category. The Lincoln Zephyr $34k; the coffee must've been mighty cold when they came up with those figures. The Hyundai Azera seems more of a value than the Zephyr, indeed it is, IMO. But I think the Lucerne is a great DOMESTIC attempt. The car is the key in turning back to Buick's once unmatched quality of the 40's and 50's. The car is probably the best thing to come from them in 2 decades. The quality is tops among domestics(Toyota Avalon and DCX's LX cars notwithstanding). But in typical GM fashion, they fulfilled the needs in one department but completely dropped the ball in another, most notably chassis and suspension tuning. The Lucerne, IMO, goes up against the Avalon and Chrysler's LX-platformed car's, not the ES. It's good but not great. However in typical GM fashion, if they don't do anything else right, they get the powertrains done very well. The Lucerne is available with N/S V-8 power, first for a Buick since the end of the gigantic 1996 Roadmaster(dad's favorite). It does move this car with authority, altho the Avalon is still quicker. Replies to this message: pat (Apr 11, 2006 3:47 pm) lexusguy (Apr 11, 2006 4:37 pm) blkhemi (Apr 11, 2006 5:41 pm) lexusguy (Apr 12, 2006 8:45 am)
#14699 of 24700 Re: Excitement Over The Upcoming Lexus ES350? [blkhemi] by pat HOST Apr 11, 2006 (3:47 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Apr 11, 2006 3:39 pm) Regardless of the definition of "is" (which in the context given there is no reason to question), none of the vehicles you mention can be considered High End Luxury Marques. Let's get back to the subject, please.
#14700 of 24700 Re: Excitement Over The Upcoming Lexus ES350? [blkhemi] by lexusguy Apr 11, 2006 (4:37 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Apr 11, 2006 3:39 pm) Interestingly, Edmunds (for reasons known only to them) gave the Zephyr a smashing review, and just recently they basically raked the Lucerne over the coals. I dont like either car, but I cant understand why they raved about a gussied up Fusion with an $8K price hike, and then went on to bash a value priced Deville. For a V8 to be impressive these days, I would say that 300hp is the absolute bare minimum requirement. Considering the staggering amount of power available on the 300C, showing up with yesterday's Northstar and the proverbial stone age GM 4-speed is just not competitive. As you said, its slower than the Avalon, and has the added bonus of being a gas hog. Replies to this message: blkhemi (Apr 11, 2006 5:41 pm) lexusguy (Apr 12, 2006 8:45 am)
#14701 of 24700 Re: Hey, hey, HEY! [drfill] by tagman Apr 11, 2006 (4:38 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 11, 2006 1:52 pm) Now doc, or should I say Dorothy . . . the scarecrow had no brain and would be continually posting about the Camry, and Pat would have put a stop to that, but I was too busy posting about the LS600h. So, therefore, Pat has a fair amount of control, and is obviously the Wizard of OZ or the Wicked Witch. I'll let you decide since you are the one following the yellow brick road. I recommended valium the first time, but now maybe, something a little stronger . . . As you might recall from a recent post of mine, I mentioned that the LS600h will go down in history as one of the most technologically sophisticated production vehicles ever built . . . and I don't mind saying it again, as long as it doesn't send you too far into outer space. TagMan Replies to this message: oac (Apr 11, 2006 6:23 pm)