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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#14577 of 24726 BlkHemi, Two Tings!
Apr 07, 2006 (5:32 pm)
1. I didn't call the A8 a loser, but I said "I can see how someone would call it a Loser"
There is a difference. The LS might be better than all the premium sedans you can name, but the A8, to me, is the MOST desirable!
2. My point is getting twisted quickly, and often.
As I've said several times before, there is more than one way to be a "winner" in the marketplace. YOu can outshine others dynamically, in comparisons, change the marketplace, or just outsell the competition.
By comparing the SC to cars that are "Losing" in the market or segments, I am disproving the SC as a "Loser".
I don't believe in degrees of "Loser". The A8 doesn't sell, and doesn't win comparisons. And it hasn't affected it's segment, except to bring in the Pheaton, which was a true "Loser".
AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE A8, I'd have to slap a "Loser" tag on it. That kinda goes for the Audi line, in general. It really isn't the A8's fault. The company hasn't made any headway over the last 10-15 years.
Lexus has conquered countries in 10 years, what has Audi done again?
The SC has EXCEEDED sales expectation for 4 years in a row. Does Lexus, or it's many owners, see it as a loser?
Resale values? How they doin'? Ok.
For Lexus, I'd call the ES250 (1990-1992), the GS300 (1993-1997), and the IS300 (2001-2005), "Losers".
That's all. Considering many companies are currently dragging 2 or 3 around, per year, that's pretty impressive, for 15+ years!
There's a difference between cars you may not like, and "losers".
Apr 07, 2006 (6:24 pm)
Gee, my first thought was that these are HELMs that a value investor like Warren Buffet might love. Here you have the chance to buy something at more than 50% off list. Then I realized that even a Warren Buffet couldn't afford to run these star-crossed, four year old maintenance headaches. Even BMW concedes that they can't debug the '02 7 Series, the '02 S Class doesn't inspire any confidence and an out of warranty S8 Audi sounds like a combination migrane/nightmare.
#14579 of 24726 Re: Back to HELM [oac]
Apr 07, 2006 (6:35 pm)
Yes you have Hi Tony
#14580 of 24726 Re: BlkHemi, Two Tings! [drfill]
Apr 07, 2006 (7:07 pm)
For some of us the name Audi has been meaningless until a dealership is near by...For me that wasn`t until a year or so ago...After owning Lexus from the beginning of time, I loked at BMW and Audi this time ...Almost got the BMW, but due to a screw up at the last minute, took a hance and ordered an Aud a8...It has been a superb car for me...As far as I am concerned there are only two other people on the planet that own a8---blkhemi and emass....We have all been very pleased so far, so for me I beg to pardon but I disagree with your opinion of the word `loser`..as it applies to the a 8...Sometimes to enjoy life you have to break away from the majority thinking and go it alone---let resales fall where thy may in a few years, but enjoy the `decision now and also to be able to say I made a mistake if you happen to have made a mistake....So the three of us a-8 owners right now are enjoying the car...no mistake and no looser . I really think that Lexus has challenged the Germans and the Germans have responded as Merc has ever so patiently ,over the years, brought to my attention....Tony
#14581 of 24726 Don't Miss Forget,
Apr 07, 2006 (7:21 pm)
Howard Stern owns an A8 too. He's got the love.
#14582 of 24726 Re: Benzster [benzster]
Apr 07, 2006 (9:22 pm)
Which is the "best car" depends
totally on how it will be used and who will be driving it. A "soccer Mom",(a Volvo, Subaru or any "PC"
minivan),a floor trader looking to have hotties jump into his car,( Porsche,
Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin), a loyal grandson going to visit his retired grandparents in Florida perhaps,( an
"S" Mercedes), a CEO with a chauffeur
who seeks anonymity, (a VW Phaeton
W12), a love affair substitute you
can dump when you wish, (a Maserati),
and so on and on and on. Different
strokes for different folks. At least
in this country you don't have to
settle for a Trabant or Dacia, whether
you want it or not.
Ever heard of the "Tatra" by the Czech
who taught Dr. Porsche all who knew
rear engine design.
There is a lot of history out there
and many different national
preferences. In Germany, if you tell
a local you want a Mercedes, he will
tell you to call a Taxi.
Try them all, you have earned it !!!
#14583 of 24726 Re: Don't Miss Forget, [drfill]
Apr 07, 2006 (9:28 pm)
Howard talks about sex so much, one
has to wonder if he also has a huge
supply of Viagra in his A8
glove box. Is he good enough to take
the A8 to 160 on the Autobahn
or a track? Is he all show instead
of all go? The long hair makes one
#14584 of 24726 Re: Merc [volvomax]
Apr 07, 2006 (9:33 pm)
Seems like you don't really love
cars. You seem intent on the best
deal, not the best car.
#14585 of 24726 Re: Lexus Experience [benzster]
Apr 07, 2006 (9:37 pm)
Truly successful CEO's wear their
designer "bespoke" suits with the
labels sewn on the inside, not the
outside of their garments.
#14586 of 24726 Let's stick to the cars
Apr 08, 2006 (2:17 am)
and not worry about Howard Stern and who wears what, okay?