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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#14283 of 24726 Re: SV [sv7887]
Mar 17, 2006 (6:00 pm)
I whole-heartedly agree with your testimony. I had numerous problems with my '98 LS that I promised myself that I wouldn't ever buy another again, no matter how reliable they were supposed to be. In a short 32,000 miles, the steering rack and both front hubs had to replaced($6k job, albeit all under warranty). Then the cluster failed twice, and then the electrical system went hay-wire. It reminded my of my 1990 Jaguar XJ VDP. Like yourself, I was completely let down on this car compared to my '92, which believe it or not, only had a bad battery and two flat tires in 76,000 miles.
I eventually unloaded the LS for a '01 S500 which was a model of both quality and reliability, despite the reputation.
It has to be said that not everyone is on the "Lexus is for everyone" band-wagon. May it be style or just utter disgust, it's not for everybody. If Sam had a terrible experience with the cars after spending a huge bundle over time with the company, then I would very upset with them also, which was the case with myself.
The Lexus is a time-honored vehicle as it should be in it's own right, but it is "NOT" the perfect vehicle most Lexus customers would lead a person to believe. Up until the upcoming LS460, the post '01's looked more like a puffed-n-buffed Buick Park Avenue than luxury distinctive,IMO.
I now drive one of the less talked about vehicles on the HELM, the A8. And very happy with my purchase and wouldn't get rid of it for any car that's out now(maybe the upcoming S8). And maybe that's a good thing.
Mar 17, 2006 (6:55 pm)
I agree that a "stripped" S500 will hold its value more than a loaded S430. Lets agree to disagree on my belief that everything else being equal, a loaded (special edition, whatever) S500 will hold its value less than a stripped S500. (I think cars are like neighborhoods: the best house in the neighborhood won't do as well in terms of value as the average house; everything reverts back to the mean.)
Incidentally, the air suspension is so problemattic on Range Rovers that companies offer kits so you can remove the darn air bags and go back to shocks and springs. You can do the whole retrofit for about 2K less than the cost of fixing the air bags. Do used S Classes have major trouble (i.e., expensive repairs) with their air suspension?
#14285 of 24726 Re: ljflx [blckislandguy]
Mar 17, 2006 (8:43 pm)
The S-Class air-suspension is pretty rock solid, in fact one of it's greatest attributes. However, some early ABC-equipped cars were prone to failure. This was fixed during the '03 redesign. My ABC-equipped S65 suspension never had to ber serviced or anything of that nature, despite my rather "enthusiastic" driving habits.
#14286 of 24726 Re: All brands have bad dealers [ljflx]
Mar 18, 2006 (5:45 am)
Yeah mine had a little card inside too with the local dealer's info, couldn't really do much with that info! I've wasted enough of their time over the last few years driving cars that are 2 to 3 times the price of what I'd be able to buy from them!
Idol, I agree totally. While I like your choices for the winner I think I'm going with Ace. He just had a bad week. Hopefully that is what it was. Yeah anything forget words to a song you're gone that is as bad as dropping the mic.
#14287 of 24726 Just a note
Mar 18, 2006 (6:33 am)
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Top 10 Cars With the Best Residual Value for 2004
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Want to buy a car that really holds its value? If resale value is important to you, these are the cars likely to depreciate the least during the ownership period. Below we show the percentage of its original value that each vehicle is likely to retain after five years with an annual mileage of 15,000. Keep in mind that the residual value percentages are based on the national True Market Value® (TMV) price, plus typical options and destination charge. A quick scan of our list shows that import nameplates rule when it comes to retaining their value, Viper and Corvette excepted. Beyond that, it's clear that luxury nameplates hold an edge as well, though the lineups of non-luxury brands like Honda, Toyota and Volkswagen are also well represented.
Porsche 911 — 57%
Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class — 53%
Acura NSX — 52%
BMW Z4 — 51%
BMW M3 — 50%
BMW 3 Series — 49%
Volkswagen New Beetle
Acura RSX — 48%
Lexus ES 330
Lexus GS 300
Lexus GS 430
Lexus SC 430
Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG
Mercedes-Benz SLK32 AMG
Toyota Camry Solara
Toyota MR2 Spyder
Audi TT — 47%
Acura TL — 46%
BMW 5 Series
Mercedes-Benz CL55 AMG
Jaguar S-Type R — 45%
Lexus IS 300
Lexus LS 430
Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG
#14288 of 24726 Re: Just a note [drfill]
Mar 18, 2006 (9:29 am)
Curious. 911 went from top gun at 57% to below 47% in one year? Or is it just absent from the listing for 2005? Or maybe their discounting which just started around 2003 has something to do with it. CLK is up there from 04 to 05 but it’s not discounted, right? I’d like to see a comprehensive list, not just top/worst 10. The listing seems inconsistent from 04 to 05. Too many questions.
I haven’t watched much but I like Mandisa. Even if she doesn’t win, I think she has the most talent… knows how to bend those fundamental blues notes, plus her degree is in music, sings professionally and has that passionate gospel-rock background. I could care less if she’s had a few too many slices. She has the kind of demeanor that I think helped Carrie Underwood win it. And remember, Dorothy singing “Over the Rainbow” is the number one song in movie history... the ingenue racks up points. Yep, Kevin needs the hook… very puzzling.
Ljflx... I was disappointed with the Sopranos... thought they laid it on a little too thick... far fetched. This is probably a stupid question, but is Tony gonna make it? I don't think it's necessarily a lock.
#14289 of 24726 The Last New Car; Heading Off Into The Sunsetin Style
Mar 18, 2006 (10:11 am)
Lots of us HELM forum readers/posters are closing in fast on 60 or are already on the wrong side. Let me pose a question. For a car nut like most of us, what is the best Last New Car?
Allow me to narrow the range of alternatives. Lets assume that at this stage in your life someone else is handling your boat towing and snow plowing chores, so no pickups, however luxurious. Lets assume further that your kids have moved on (apparently though this is not the trend) and your Irish Wolfehounds have died. So no large SUVs. Lets assume further that you need/want AWD or four wheel drive to get down to Walgreen's to pick up your meds, no matter how bad the weather. Because you are going to buy this car just before you retire and it is going to be your Last New Car you are going to spend a few bucks so you can enjoy your lifetime of hard work and keep it for 10 or so years. Minor reliability problems may or not be of the same significance they were when you were working 65 hours a week and bringing in a car for service was a major hassle. Status concerns may or may not be as significant as when you were taking customers/bankers/vendors to lunch. (Although if you were single and 70, you might be better off in a HELM if you were trying to get something going with your best friends's widow.) Depreciation rates may not be of importance (who cares what your estate may get for it?). Running costs such as fuel, insurance, maintenance will be of concern because of your now fixed income. (Before you quickly think that an E Class diesel is the way to go, re-read Habitat1's post of a year or so ago on this.)
Whaddya think the best Last New Car is?
#14290 of 24726 Re: Just a note [designman]
Mar 18, 2006 (11:11 am)
"Ljflx... I was disappointed with the Sopranos... thought they laid it on a little too thick... far fetched. This is probably a stupid question, but is Tony gonna make it? I don't think it's necessarily a lock"
I agree on the episode. But if Tony doesn't make it than there's no show. Chase is also playing with us. The whole story about the guy - who came from nowhere - and wants to go to Florida was about his own real life situation. He was the guy that wants to abandon the show and Tony was HBO saying there's no retirement in this business. I think we see Tony in intensive care having dream sequences for a few episodes while his "family" fights for his position as leader and some even plot to kill him in the hospital (Godfather takeoff). This is just my opinion - I have no news on this. Anyway best scene of the opening episode - The Lexus GS cutting off the guys after they ate in the restaurant. Did you see that handling!
#14291 of 24726 Re: The Last New Car; Heading Off Into The Sunsetin Style [blckislandguy]
Mar 18, 2006 (11:36 am)
Easy. Carrera 4 if no back seat is required; 530xi if it is. Caveat: even if you don't need the backseat, you might still choose the BMW if that widow you're courting can't get into the Porsche. Screw the fuel economy--this is the HELM board.
#14292 of 24726 Re: Just a note [designman]
Mar 18, 2006 (12:22 pm)
Curious. 911 went from top gun at 57% to below 47% in one year?
Here are the LATEST projected depreciation values, and, yes designman, the 911 is in the top group. Notice the Lexus LS is only mid point.
Here it is, straight from the source: