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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Feb 03, 2006 (4:08 pm)
Wow! I am so surprised at you! You, of all people, know better than that!
You know how hard it is to build a V8, especially to Lexus/Mercedes/BMW levels of smoothness and durability.
You know Lexus isn't just throwing 50-60HP onto a car at the end of testing, just to amke a point, or keep up with the Joneses. They haven't done that before, so why start now?
You KNOW they started on the engine, if not before, right after they agreed on a car design in 2001. Lexus isn't going to spend 4 years building a new LS, which they build with the attention of a Taj Mahal, just to add 50HP at the end. That much power enhancement will affect suspension, engine parts, emissions.
Lexus didn't have 2-3 years to set an engine rating, they had less than a year before the NAIAS?
Lexus has some great engineers, but that aren't that great!
Maybe Mercedes engineers should train at Lexus, you know, an Apprenticeship, before heading back, and learn how to boost a Flagship's power 15% in 6 months, with no teething problems, like Lexus does?
I guess you know something we don't!
#13838 of 24726 Re: Where is the HP war? [samstayton]
Feb 03, 2006 (4:35 pm)
"Lexus has overstated LS 430' acceleration times by almost 1 second. On lexus.com they claim 0-60 in 6.3 sec. Actual time is 7.1-7.2 sec."
Can you provide a source for this? Or did you just make it up? Edmunds managed to hustle the 2001 LS430, with the 5-speed, from 0-60 in 6.4 seconds. Keep in mind that Edmunds is usually .5-1 second slower in launching automatic cars from 0-60 than say Car and Driver, because they dont brake-torque. I think Lexus' 0-60 estimation is right on the money.
#13840 of 24726 Re: Lexus future plans [syswei]
Feb 03, 2006 (4:53 pm)
Looking at this further, the Mar 05 box says "TBD" which suggests that if the document is real, it is fairly old; so it is possible that there will be more stuff in cy2007 than is indicated.
Here is the same pic in link form: picture
#13841 of 24726 Re: Lexus future plans [syswei]
Feb 03, 2006 (4:56 pm)
You might want to edit that post and put in a link, rather than a direct picture post. That is *a little* over the 500px limit imposed by the hosts.
Feb 03, 2006 (6:23 pm)
The LS430 hit 60 in 6.13.
Feb 03, 2006 (7:59 pm)
I saw this chart earlier, but it says LS900h! iam i blind? or its really LS900h?? anyone knows??
Feb 03, 2006 (8:11 pm)
Thanks to improper picture sizing, I have to shop around for a 45" monitor!
#13846 of 24726 Re: In a 2002 MT Comparo [callmedrfill]
Feb 03, 2006 (9:30 pm)
And the addition of a sixth cog has made the car < 6 seconds. I have no idea where this supposed 7.2 number came from, thin air I suspect. The LS430 weighs less than the Acura RL, which is why its always been faster than its horsepower would suggest.