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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#13726 of 24726 to ljflx - good opinions and $$$
Feb 01, 2006 (9:19 am)
I really couldn't care less what type of house, jewelry or anything else you buy/have
ljflx - All the money in the world won't make your opinion any more credible than anyone else's. It just might get some more fanfare, but that's it. If you've really made a TRUE success of yourself, than you should already have learned that lesson in life. No reason to compromise yourself like that . . . especially since so many of your posts are more balanced and interesting. I often enjoy your "business" perspectives as well as your opinions.
As for the HELMS . . . sure, the cookie cutter styling is rampant. And, not too long after I had read that the next E-Class was going to be different than the new S-Class . . . last week I saw a spy photo of what is likely to be the new E-Class . . . and guess what? . . . it looks like it has borrowed a LOT from the styling cues of the new S-Class. Here we go again! I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
BTW, the X-Type Jag is history. One more model year perhaps, but then the ax, thank goodness. It is NOT an XJ! The S-Type DOES have different styling (although I hate it), and there is word of a radically different XJ possibly around 2009. IMO, the XJ has been an historical lesson and icon for gorgeous styling. They should have NEVER made the X-Type to cheapen it.
Also, IMO, the 5-Series BMW IS truly a beautiful automobile, from a design standpoint and performance standpoint. Few come close. It's a terrific "all-in one".
The new LS is an improvement, no doubt, and will represent itself well in the marketplace. There is no way that Lexus is the only company guilty of the "cookie-cutter-syndrome". I think the newest styling is somewhat "subdued", but it is now clearly adequate, and I think Lexus styling is "easy on the eye" in a certain sense because of that. It's a safe, and perhaps smart, place to be in the marketplace.
#13727 of 24726 Re: to ljflx - good opinions and $$$ [tagman]
Feb 01, 2006 (10:01 am)
"All the money in the world won't make your opinion any more credible than anyone else's. It just might get some more fanfare, but that's it. If you've really made a TRUE success of yourself, than you should already have learned that lesson in life. No reason to compromise yourself like that . . . especially since so many of your posts are more balanced and interesting. I often enjoy your "business" perspectives as well as your opinions."
This has nothing to do with success. The point I was making was that you don't set yourself up as a God on styling, nor do you think someone else can't see great styling because you don't like the car the person chooses to buy. It's absurd. Preference for car styling is personal and is hardly universal. There's a lot more that goes into buying a car like one of these than styling anyway - which makes the point all the more silly.
Want to see what silly means - All this is happening because I said I didn't like the S styling. If you read back I never said anything bad about the car - and Hpowders fails to see merc1's defensiveness and inability to handle a comment he doesn't like.
Hpowders - give me a break! Your posts are getting worse and worse.
#13728 of 24726 Re: to ljflx - good opinions and $$$ [ljflx]
Feb 01, 2006 (10:10 am)
The point I was making was that you don't set yourself up as a God on styling, nor do you think someone else can't see great styling because you don't like the car the person chooses to buy. It's absurd.
I agree. TOTALLY. I think you could have said it like you just did, and it would have reflected better on YOU, that's all.
BTW, did I read correctly that Ford is going to pump another 2 billion into Jag?
#13729 of 24726 Re: to ljflx - good opinions and $$$ [tagman]
Feb 01, 2006 (10:30 am)
Yes, perhaps in an effort to snub Mr. Ghosn's efforts to buy the company, Ford paid another $2 billion. For the money Ford has spent thus far to keep Jag alive, they could've purchased Jaguar 3 times over.
#13730 of 24726 Re: to ljflx - good opinions and $$$ [lexusguy]
Feb 01, 2006 (11:07 am)
This just kills me . . . There are some things to truly love about Jaguar . . . but what a stupid mismanaged mess. I wonder if there is any hope.
#13731 of 24726 Re: to ljflx - good opinions and $$$ [tagman]
Feb 01, 2006 (11:18 am)
Well, the space that Ford seems to want Jag to move into now is the Maserati area of $80-100K sports cars and sedans. Its working for Maserati, but the Masers are something special that you just cant get from a Mercedes or Lexus. Jaguar needs a hook like that.
#13732 of 24726 Here we go again...
Feb 01, 2006 (11:20 am)
Just when I thought we were making progress toward actually communicating with, rather than electronically spitting at, each other, we seem to be slipping back. About 18 days have passed since my plea in #13202.
And now, to give tagman what amounts to a true backhanded compliment for being "gentle" in his comments....
I think people need to learn the most basic lesson in electronic communication: don't say in an email or posting something that you wouldn't say if the person were standing in front of you. I respect what tagman has to say not only because of his knowledge, but because he knows how to disagree without being disagreeable. Everyone needs to learn from that, not disparage it.
At the risk of being too personal, I have to say to a certain southern BMW-loving poster here that your love of humor is evident, but if you want to use insult and hyperbole as your style, how about taking a lesson from Don Rickles, who got away with being obnoxious by applying the same style to EVERYONE, from his best friend to his worst heckler. Continually using that style of humor on only certain people or points of view is not so funny -- and I bet you wouldn't do it so one-sidedly in your personal or business life.
To me, the best thing about this forum (and the LPS forum as well) is the opportunity to learn about the pros and cons of a lot of different competing cars and their manufacturers. If someone just wants to heckle or insult, then I suggest they go to Clublexus or Germancarfans and post about how the MB or Lexus respectively is far superior to the preferred cars of the other posters there. That would be a better test of your critical skills.
How about using this forum for expressing strong opinions, not strong insults?
#13733 of 24726 Re: Here we go again... [garyh1]
Feb 01, 2006 (11:35 am)
Agree Gary. But if saying you don't like the styling of a car warrants a personal attack on your tastes back - what is going to happen around here if you say something a lot stronger?
#13734 of 24726 Re: Here we go again... [garyh1]
Feb 01, 2006 (11:42 am)
Excellent post. You expressed my thoughts exactly when you said you thought we were making progress toward actually communicating. I was thinking the same.
Let's drop all the insults and insinuations going forward. This discussion is too high-class to get mired in mud-throwing.
#13735 of 24726 Re: Here we go again... [pat]
Feb 01, 2006 (11:59 am)
... This discussion is too high-class to get mired in mud-throwing.
But don't high-class people take mudbaths?