High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#13646 of 24700 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [lexusguy] by tagman Jan 24, 2006 (9:07 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 24, 2006 8:00 am) From what I've seen, I like the RDX quite a bit, and expect it to sell well, IF they stay in the 30's as planned. Lots of latest features included for the $. Should also get decent MPG, which is getting to be more and more significant to car buyers at all tiers now. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jan 24, 2006 10:52 am) tagman (Jan 24, 2006 11:12 am) bdr127 (Jan 24, 2006 11:37 am) and 2 more...
#13647 of 24700 2006 Detroit Autoshow [merc1] by scott1256 Jan 24, 2006 (9:43 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 7:17 pm) Manufacturers don't only reach the people who attend the show. Thanks to the internet, details of new cars and concept cars along with rumors from the show are reported in real time. Think of how many people the various Edmunds topics about the Detroit show have reached. All this adds up to a lot of free pubilicity. Replies to this message: tayl0rd (Jan 24, 2006 10:03 am) merc1 (Jan 24, 2006 9:13 pm)
#13648 of 24700 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow [scott1256] by tayl0rd Jan 24, 2006 (10:03 am)
Replying to: scott1256 (Jan 24, 2006 9:43 am) Exactly! That's MILLIONS of advertising dollars saved! The price for an auto show display is paltry in comparison.
#13649 of 24700 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [tagman] by lexusguy Jan 24, 2006 (10:52 am)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 24, 2006 9:07 am) Also, its only real competition at this point is the BMW X3, which it should undercut by thousands. I think Benz has backed off of the B-class in the US for exchange rate reasons, and Lexus, Infiniti, and VW are still working on their challengers. Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 24, 2006 11:12 am) bdr127 (Jan 24, 2006 11:37 am) lexusguy (Jan 24, 2006 3:58 pm) tagman (Jan 24, 2006 5:28 pm)
#13650 of 24700 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [lexusguy] by tagman Jan 24, 2006 (11:12 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 24, 2006 10:52 am) Good point. The new RAV4 will likely be considered by the mags to be a competitor, but it's not nearly the vehicle. The RDX could be a MUCH bigger hit than expected. The Acura name will improve, I believe, with new models such as the RDX, and next generation MDX, (NSX will only be an icon model), but a really GREAT flagship may still be a ways off. In the Japanese luxury arena, Lexus is practically untouchable, IMO. TagMan Replies to this message: bdr127 (Jan 24, 2006 11:37 am) lexusguy (Jan 24, 2006 3:58 pm) tagman (Jan 24, 2006 5:28 pm)
#13651 of 24700 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [tagman] by bdr127 Jan 24, 2006 (11:37 am)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 24, 2006 11:12 am) Good point. The new RAV4 will likely be considered by the mags to be a competitor, but it's not nearly the vehicle. The RDX could be a MUCH bigger hit than expected. There is no way that people shopping for BMW, MB, and Acura would lump Toyota (not Lexus) into their small SUV search. The RAV4 appears to be a nice vehicle, but it isn't (and isn't meant to be) in the same class as those others. To consider the RAV4 a competitor to the X3, maybe the B-Class(?), the RDX, and even the RX330, is just crazy.... Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jan 24, 2006 3:58 pm) tagman (Jan 24, 2006 5:28 pm)
#13652 of 24700 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [bdr127] by lexusguy Jan 24, 2006 (3:58 pm)
Replying to: bdr127 (Jan 24, 2006 11:37 am) I agree, the RAV doesnt count. Its fairly nice in Limited trim, but nobody is going to call it a "luxury" cute ute. The RAV competes in a pretty full class, CR-V, Murano, Forester, etc. The compact, luxury SUV segment is new, and for the moment your choice is the X3, or the X3.
#13653 of 24700 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [bdr127] by tagman Jan 24, 2006 (5:28 pm)
Replying to: bdr127 (Jan 24, 2006 11:37 am) Just TODAY, a friend of mine, who's wife wants a small SUV, looked into the new RAV4, and discovered that it was not available with navigation. He asked me if I had an opinion on an alternative for his wife, and I happened to mention the upcoming RDX. I showed him the info on the Acura website and he lit up. So, while I agree that they are not in the same league, it is clear to me that people WILL climb the ladder to get to a higher tier. And, as I mentioned, you can BET the auto rags will have some crazy mized up SUV "head to head" comparos of different models. They always do. Read my original statement carefully and note that I clearly said the RAV4 is "not nearly the vehicle" (as the RDX). And, of course, the X3, etc. Just a note: this is not really HELM material, IMO, but I want to be courteous and reply, so this is my last post on this. TagMan
#13654 of 24700 Ford's announcements and the effect on Jaguar by tagman Jan 24, 2006 (5:38 pm)
Considering all the news generated by Ford today, I am wondering what they intend to do about Jaguar?