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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#13627 of 24723 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [tagman]
Jan 23, 2006 (8:03 pm)
Sure. I'm pretty embarrased to admit what my favorite luxury brand was up until Mercedes. For me it was the new for 1986 W124 E-Class. This car's engineering details - the single blade wiper, spring-suspended seats, different size rear-view mirrors etc. are what initially attracted me to the brand. Then I drove one and found out that they didn't drive anything like my favorite luxury brand at that time - the Mercedes drove world's better. That did it for me. The specific models that "did it" were the 1986 300E, 560SEL and 560SEC and then in 1988 the 300CE. Some of the best cars ever built by anyone and easily the best in their repsective segments at the time. I didn't really like the SL until the R129 or 1990. Thats the short of it.
#13628 of 24723 Re: To Merc1 [tagman]
Jan 23, 2006 (8:08 pm)
I was replying sracasm to sarcasm. Too much of an over-reaction here.
#13629 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs Merc [sv7887]
Jan 23, 2006 (8:12 pm)
I'm glad you all like the pics. Not much work in posting them. The hardest part is taking them with so many people around!
From the the 2007 model year onward all of Mercedes diesel cars will be legal in all states - according to all the recent press. They're just waiting on the mandatory clean diesel to be available nationwide. The S320 I was told will be a 2008 model.
Airmatic is standard on all S-Classes so no choice there, but any problems with Airmatic were solved back in 2002-2003 production. Nothing to worry about there IMO.
The S-Class looks better in person IMO than in some photos, especially in AMG trim. What gets me is that it looks better in real life photos than in the ones Mercedes initially released.
#13631 of 24723 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [blckislandguy]
Jan 23, 2006 (8:17 pm)
Well I think of it as part treat for car enthusiasts and part exposure for new products. They know that of the 1.2 odd million people that storm the halls at Detroit, Chicago, New York or wherever aren't going to run out and buy a car next week, but it does give people and idea of what to put on their short list I think.
Detroit is the most important for the U.S. auto industry and the domestices have to make sure they dominate it if for no other reason than to save face. If they start getting lax at participating in autoshow the domestics will really, really be in deep trouble in the minds of everyone, not just industry observers.
#13632 of 24723 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [designman]
Jan 23, 2006 (8:20 pm)
What do you think of the Aston Ripade Concept? I know you said some unforgiveable things about the Aston DB9 before...lol, but I'm curious to know what you think about them adding two doors to it?
Jan 23, 2006 (8:25 pm)
The elitist arrogance of the Lexicans is really being poured on thick.
A shame they always get so defensive.
The Steelers will wipe the smiles off of those Sea Hawks although this prediction is not etched in stone.
#13634 of 24723 Re: To Merc1 [merc1]
Jan 23, 2006 (8:33 pm)
You are absolutely correct. The reasons for the LS' enormous success in the HELM world is an extraordinary combination of reliability and extremely savvy pricing-it has been no accident that the LS was designed to look like a MB and be priced lower HELM for HELM.
Neither of these things should change with the introduction of the new LS 460.
Add a successful re-styling to the mix and you have a real winner here, much as it pains me to say so.
#13635 of 24723 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [merc1]
Jan 23, 2006 (8:39 pm)
Before I was even old enough to drive, the Mercedes and Jaguars were the ones that were special to my eyes. (Very young, I had a red Jaguar XKE replica on my shelf that I thought was the world's most beautiful car!) I always thought of Cadillacs as a GM "joke" on folks that needed to "look" rich, and I will admit that back then the Lincoln Continental did catch my young eyes for some reason, but that did not last too long.
After driving age . . . I thought the Austins and the Triumph TR6 were "cool" (don't really know why, and never owned them), but the Porsche was actually the first car to truly excite me as a driver. I still love the Porsches, the Jags, and the MBs most of all. Guess I'm not that complicated.
#13636 of 24723 Re: Yes Tagman! [hpowders]
Jan 23, 2006 (8:55 pm)
should be a GREAT game.
Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price. Reliability. Price.
Do you hear something over and over again . . . or is it just me?