High End Luxury Cars

24685 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2009 at 4:40 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#13615 of 24685 Re: Lexus vs Merc [merc1] by ljflx Jan 23, 2006 (6:38 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 22, 2006 9:34 pm) I never had the consumer in mind or what he thinks as he walks into a dealership when I posted that. I was simply mentioning the flexibility Lexus had in pricing because of their lower and more efficient build costs and that they would continue to use it to their advantage in pricing the car. I don't know how you even began to see it in a twisted way. We are trying to guess the unannounced price and when you do that pricing strategies and build costs are way more relevant to many people than you imply. Maybe your not being a buyer here skews your thinking. Replies to this message: merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 6:59 am) sv7887 (Jan 23, 2006 12:22 pm) merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 7:12 pm) grandaddy (Jan 23, 2006 3:02 pm)
#13616 of 24685 Re: Lexus vs Merc [ljflx] by merc1 Jan 23, 2006 (6:59 am)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 23, 2006 6:38 am) Being a "buyer" doesn't give any extra insight into "guessing" where Lexus will price the LS460. We all know they'll price it right below the S-Class as usual. That is Lexus' "pricing strategy". M Replies to this message: sv7887 (Jan 23, 2006 12:22 pm) merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 7:12 pm)
#13617 of 24685 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [merc1] by hpowders Jan 23, 2006 (7:37 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 22, 2006 10:43 pm) Hey Merc1-thanks for the comprehensive photos-a lot of work, for sure! I definitely will be checking out the Q7 next time around.
#13619 of 24685 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [merc1] by tagman Jan 23, 2006 (9:51 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 22, 2006 10:43 pm) merc1, As you know, I don't go near as far back in this forum as some of you other posters, but I've probably posted enough by now for you to get a sense of some of my views and opinions, as I have gotten a sense of yours. Your respect and admiration for the Mercedes line particularly has been interesting to me right out of the gate. Would you mind elaborating a bit for me as to the origins of this? I'd appreciate it. TagMan Replies to this message: merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 7:03 pm) tagman (Jan 23, 2006 7:39 pm) merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 9:26 pm) and 9 more...
#13620 of 24685 Re: Lexus vs Merc [merc1] by sv7887 Jan 23, 2006 (12:22 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 6:59 am) Merc, First of all, thank you for your excellent write-up on the auto show. The pictures were an unexpected plus! I'm excited to hear Mercedes is offering the S320 CDI. I only hope they can make it clean enough to pass MA emissions standards. It is a crime that these cars are not allowed to be sold when oil is in short supply! I wonder if the S320 will be decontented to some degree like the E320 CDI. I would prefer a S Class without all these fancy electronics that will likely cause trouble over the long term. I'm almost certain a MB is as mechanically sound as any other car. The complexity of some of the new car's systems is what has me worried. I wouldn't mind an S Class with a standard suspension as opposed to an Airmatic one. While I don't like the wheel flares, the new S Class has a great presence. It looks substantial and solid. I'm not the greatest fan of the center cluster, but I like the fact all the controls are flush with the surface. Having seen the S in person, do you think it looks better or worse than in the pictures? Thanks again for the reviews! Sam Replies to this message: merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 7:12 pm)
#13621 of 24685 Re: Lexus vs Merc [ljflx] by grandaddy Jan 23, 2006 (3:02 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 23, 2006 6:38 am) What you meant is perfectly clear and relevant to everyone except merc1. And you are right on target.
#13622 of 24685 To Merc1 by hpowders Jan 23, 2006 (4:36 pm)
What you meant is perfectly clear to me. The Lexus strategy will be to price the LS 460 below the S-Class. Why should they change a formula that admittedly has worked so well? You are absolutely correct. One doesn't have to own an LS to figure out what is so logical. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jan 23, 2006 5:21 pm) tagman (Jan 23, 2006 6:50 pm) ljflx (Jan 23, 2006 7:08 pm) merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 6:54 pm) hpowders (Jan 23, 2006 7:33 pm)
#13623 of 24685 Re: To Merc1 [hpowders] by ljflx Jan 23, 2006 (5:21 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Jan 23, 2006 4:36 pm) The LS430 ultra was priced just below an S430 and is a SWB only car. Now we have 3 trims, a hybrid, a host of things that the car never had and 5 more very successful years and growth in status since the 2001 pricing guidelines were set. One needs to be a Lexus buyer to understand this it seems. Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 23, 2006 6:50 pm) ljflx (Jan 23, 2006 7:08 pm)
#13624 of 24685 Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [merc1] by blckislandguy Jan 23, 2006 (6:22 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 22, 2006 10:43 pm) Merc1, thanks for the great photos. I wonder though how relevant trade shows like this really are. They are hugely expensive, only a relatively small number of civilains (non-vendors, non industry types) actually attend (and many of them are just lookers), etc. The fact that a D-C exec drove a three wheeled motorcycle up some stairs last year may have caused a stir but I don't think sold a single car. I think that the manufacturers move more iron at the local or regional shows where dealer people are present. Replies to this message: merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 7:17 pm) scott1256 (Jan 24, 2006 9:43 am) tayl0rd (Jan 24, 2006 10:03 am) merc1 (Jan 24, 2006 9:13 pm)