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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#13597 of 24700 Re: Lexus vs Merc [tagman] by garyh1 Jan 22, 2006 (11:40 am)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 22, 2006 10:53 am) I was told a number of years ago that Mercedes had for some reason changed (narrowed) those margins. They had deliberately made the MSRP much closer to the dealer's invoice. My recall on this is a bit fuzzy at this moment, but it sticks in my head for some reason that there was a deliberate action by Mercedes on this.   I not sure of the exact year, but I think it was somewhere between model years 1996 (when the new W210 came out) and 1998 (when they switched from the I6 to the V6). They wanted to be able to advertise it to appeal to a larger audience, and decided to cut the MSRP. I know when I bought an E in '94 there was a ton of negotiating room, but when I got my next one in '98 they were selling very close to MSRP, although the net price did not go up very much.
#13598 of 24700 Re: Lexus vs Merc [tagman] by ljflx Jan 22, 2006 (11:46 am)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 22, 2006 10:53 am) Tagman - re MB price policies - From what I know and it's first hand, it's that MB wanted to control discounting through lease subsidies and it's own discount programs. It didn't want dealers running the show on that. It's also partly a false prop up of prices and allows one to say cars are still commanding full MSRP when they are not. It did not make the dealer network happy. From a consumer standpoint it tranlstes to lease and buy at the end of the lease rather than buy upfront if you are MB shopping. Some MB buyers who leased in 2001 must have surely got some great lease end negotiated deals given the big price differences between the lease buyout and the real market prices 3 years later. Brightness exaggerates the leasing aspects too much but he is right on many of his points to a degree.   Time for Football - my predictions Steelers and Panthers. Let's see. Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 22, 2006 1:34 pm)
#13599 of 24700 Re: Lexus vs Merc [ljflx] by tagman Jan 22, 2006 (1:34 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 22, 2006 11:46 am) Steelers 24 Broncos 3   . . . at the half . . .   I'm a Raiders fan (which can prove challenging at times), so I HATE Denver. This is good.   BTW, thanks for confirming my fuzzy memory about the MB pricing constraints. Your explanation is appreciated.   TagMan
#13600 of 24700 Re: Lexus vs Merc [lexusguy] by designman Jan 22, 2006 (2:23 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 22, 2006 11:38 am) Lexusguy, just curious. It seems you have a taste for cars with panache. If reliability wasn’t a consideration, which daily ride would you go for?   By the way, I ran into a Lexus family at a party recently. The ol’ man drove an LS and mom had a GX. She was on her second tranny and it needed to be taken in again for the same symptom the first one had. She said when idling at a stop it felt like a car was tapping her rear bumper. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jan 22, 2006 8:21 pm)
#13601 of 24700 Re: Lexus vs Merc [lexusguy] by tagman Jan 22, 2006 (3:30 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 22, 2006 11:38 am) I'm not saying that all non Lexus vehicles are shop hogs. The cars that compete specifically with the LS though, particularly the 7 and A8, are not exactly known for setting the world on fire when it comes to reliability.   OK . . . a moment between football games . . .   Looks like Len and I are happy campers so far with the Steelers big win. But, I'm looking for Seattle to win the next one, which puts me out on a limb a little, but that's OK.   In the bigger picture, I'm sorry that I haven't considered that the A8 is that significant a competitor to the Lexus LS. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jan 22, 2006 3:40 pm)
#13602 of 24700 Re: Lexus vs Merc [tagman] by ljflx Jan 22, 2006 (3:40 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 22, 2006 3:30 pm) Tagman - I had the Steelers 30-20 as my prediction. I thought they should have been 7 point favorites. In the next game I like the Panthers and I love the coach - John Fox. But this is not a cut and dried game to me. Superbowl - I love Bettis and want badly to see him win it as he exits. Pitt will be favored over whoever wins here.
#13603 of 24700 Re: Lexus vs Merc [designman] by lexusguy Jan 22, 2006 (8:21 pm)
Replying to: designman (Jan 22, 2006 2:23 pm) Very good question. I think I would have to say, Quattroporte. Its a car that speaks to the soul, in a way that the LS just cant hope to emulate.   Interesting about that GX, I guess they cant all be perfect. Probably an '03.
#13604 of 24700 Re: Lexus vs Merc [garyh1] by merc1 Jan 22, 2006 (9:34 pm)
Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 21, 2006 4:27 pm) And like I said before, who cares? I at no time said price was irrelevant. Pricing structure, whatever you want to call it.....nobody cares about how a company arrived at the price they're asking, well no one except Toyota devotees. As long as the price seems right to the buyer I can't how or why they would care about any of this. Like I said before this pricing structure stuff is just that irrelevant, never said the pricing itself was irrelevant. Pricing is only irrelevent when it comes to sales around here.   M Replies to this message: ljflx (Jan 23, 2006 6:38 am) merc1 (Jan 23, 2006 6:59 am) sv7887 (Jan 23, 2006 12:22 pm) and 1 more... grandaddy (Jan 23, 2006 3:02 pm)
#13606 of 24700 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM by merc1 Jan 22, 2006 (9:52 pm)
LS460:             A tuned IS350 that was on display - the info read "well over 300hp":         cont....

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