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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Jan 21, 2006 11:48 am) I think it would be safe to say that ALL the HELM's have MOST of the features you indicated, and some have even more. The newer models typically now boast Bluetooth, voice command, touch-screen navigation, satellite radio, rear multimedia entertainment, etc. The point is that they are all lavishly equipped, more or less, from a feature standpoint. Driving characteristics are UNIQUE, however, as are the profound differences in STYLING. Some of the driving characteristics can be statistically measured, such as accelleration, braking, slalom, etc., but even with those measurements it is impossible to objectively analyze the "feel" of a vehicle. The "feel" of a vehicle is purely subjective as are the different preferences for "style". TagMan |
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 21, 2006 12:20 pm) |
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 21, 2006 11:25 am) |
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 21, 2006 12:20 pm) When one considers geo-political events ahead with Iran, China and the US, as these apply to oil and gasoline, the concept of hybrids and diesels become even more important. Toyota has demonstrated their forward-thinking strategy here and have set the tone. A LWB, hybrid lux sedan doing 30MPG like that projected for the LS600H, in a new sleek design, will be enormously popular among many crowds, not just celebs. I know quite a few people interested in the Prius, and these are not environmentalists or green people. They are simply concerned about cost of gasoline. Personally, I am no *greeny*, but want value for my money. If hybrids bridge the gap to H2-powered, or cell-powered cars of the future, I'm all for it. That said, the LS600H will be a strong competitor against the S600/760Li; and the LS460L will compete even more against the S550. My feel is that the new LS will outpace the new S sedans in sales by even larger margins, in a year from now. |
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 21, 2006 12:20 pm) And again what does anyone care about this? We know this, we've been known this for years and years when it comes to Toyota and their production costs, skills etc., but what difference does it make to anyone who doesn't live for pointing it out day in and day out? This is very old news and I don't think any suggested that it somehow changed with the new S and LS. This is nothing but the old buyers-care-about-profits type stuff which is irrelevant. What person would feel good about thinking they're making a car company rich when they buy one of their cars? The whole point is irrelevant. It isn't like Lexus is the only company that makes a profit here. M
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What cracks me up: On forums about Civics, G6's, etc., I see the "my car is better than your car" posts and arguments all over the place. People get emotional about their opinions; don't like it when others disagree. Then I come to high-end forum, where presumably most posters are of substantial means if they drive one of these cars. Heck, you're probably almost all high-end professionals. Yet we're all still arguing like the teenagers driving their first cars! What does that say about us? I'm not sure, I just find it funny.
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 21, 2006 12:54 pm) |
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 21, 2006 11:06 am) Whether an LS600h will have the same "statement" quality when it comes to environmentalism is dubious, though, since the mpg will still be worse than some compact/subcompact ICE cars. |
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 21, 2006 12:20 pm) My LS is an 01 The new LS has all the features you mentioned and much more. I am talking only about the LUXURY Marques...S..LS..7 STYLING...I have long thought the Mercedes was tops in that area..However in recent months I have grown Tired of their look...I think it is a mistake for them to have the same look on their cheap cars as they do on the S Class. I am very comfortable with the much more conservative styling of the LS, I truly don't want or need a flashy car, Not a standout on the Beautiful or Ugly side is just right for me. Driving Characteristics A very nice short Turning radius of 37 Ft. Plenty of power, and good handling is what LS offers...It does not offer the BMW Driving experience but then how often would most of us use the full extent of the BMW Capabilities...I would rather not trade the Nice comfortable Quiet ride of an LS for the 7s handling, which I would never fully use anyway. I know that LS currently matches or betters the Acceleration of The S and 7 even with less horses, I suspect that is also true of braking, and am not sure about Slalom but I doubt there is much difference especially with the shorter turning capabilities of the LS. Reliability..An area that most German Car Guys don't usually add to their Preferences...But I do. It is a small thing but in 5 years I have never had to change a light bulb of any kind inside or outside. the only repairs I have needed were paid by Lexus...An Amp and an outside mirror that would sometimes stick when opening or closing. |
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Jan 21, 2006 2:23 pm) I don't personally like cookie cutter cars in different sizes. But, it would appear that quite the opposite is developing. If anything, the new S-Class's styling has somewhat distanced itself from the other Mercedes models . . . but, on the other hand, the Lexus lineup looks more and more similar all the time. I am very comfortable with the much more conservative styling of the LS, I truly don't want or need a flashy car, Not a standout on the Beautiful or Ugly side is just right for me. Well, I agree that the LS is NOT a beautiful standout and NOT ugly either. The word "conservative" is the word that Lexus fans almost always seem to use for the styling, instead of "boring" or "plain". It sounds better, I guess. I would rather not trade the Nice comfortable Quiet ride of an LS for the 7s handling The BMW comparison doesn't negate the fact that the new S-Class also has an incredibly nice and quiet ride. Reliability..An area that most German Car Guys don't usually add to their Preferences...But I do. Mercedes has a long history of reliability. Statistically, in recent years, it has dipped slightly, but the truth is that NO ONE has the reliability of a Toyota/Lexus. So does that mean that Lexus becomes the only car to consider? Or that if someone chooses any other car, they suddenly don't care about reliability? That's an absurd argument always thrown at the German car fans and owners, as if to imply that they don't give a hoot about reliability because they didn't buy a Lexus. That, my friend, is a bunch of . . . well, you know. TagMan
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