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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 21, 2006 11:01 am) Allow me to translate for you, Merc. "Wating my tome" is Hollywood-talk for "wasting my time." I know new celeb-speak doesn't get out to Illinois too quickly. 
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 21, 2006 11:04 am) Holy smokes! The new S-Class is freakin' GORGEOUS! Give me a break, here. There are going to be a lot of trade-ins going on later this year for both the new LS and the new S. I'm not a big 7-series fan, but I admire the car. And, I do actually believe the Lexus LS is nice, but the price MUST be right to do well, IMO. And, for whatever personal reason, I've always just loved the Jaguar XJ, especially the newest generation aluminum Vanden Plas & Portfolio. This new S-CLass is one of the most beautiful Mercedes Benz ever built, IMO, inside and out! And, as I have said all along, it will sell well. No doubt about it. TagMan
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 21, 2006 11:06 am) Well, if we were talking about "sports celebrities", we'd all be referring to the "DUB" styling conversions, wouldn't we?  You are right. BIG difference. TagMan |
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Replying to: bdr127 (Jan 21, 2006 7:00 am) Wow, that's an interesting statistic and says a lot about why Lexus would want to have a LWB model. Are the numbers similar for the Audi A8 vs. A8L? Thanks to all of you for helping me see the light. I now understand the the LWB is perfect for a chauffeur-driven celebrity real estate executive who sits in a baby seat and needs frequent massages. I guess it's all part of the American psyche that says "more is better". I am still enough of an urbanite to think that 4" more in length cuts me out of that many more parallel parking spots, and can only add to the limitations on drivability (although obviously these manufacturers are using a lot of technology to make up for the size - apparently with much success). If I really needed that space I certainly would be willing to pay for it (for example, if I and my kids were all 6'4" plus). I can tell you one thing for sure: if I end up with an LS in the future, I won't be getting the passenger side-only footrest option; there is no way I am going to listen to my teenagers arguing over who is going to sit on that side! |
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 20, 2006 11:34 pm) My LS is an 01 ultra here are some of the features that a Jag may or may not have. 1)Automatic, Fold in, heated, outside outside mirrors, with puddle lights. 2) Reclining rear seats.. 3)The Mark Levenson sound system.. I think acknowledged by most to be as good as there is..11 speakers (The new one is even better I understand) 4) On/Off switch for the Stability Control 5) Auto On/Off Wipers and head Lights 6) Switch for the Rear Sun Screen (which automatically reclines when you put the car in reverse)...Plus rear Side window sun Screens, Even has a small visor over the rearview mirror that you can flip down to block the sun when it comes in over that mirror. 7) Power Head rests and a switch that can put the rear seats and head reasts back into their normal position after someone one has used them. 8) Seat controls on the left side of the passanger seat so the driver can adjust it for Grandma or the Kids or any passanger who doesn't know how to fiddle with the adjustments on the right side by the door. 9) Through the dash CD changer for 6 CDs 10) Brake Assist, and Traction control and ABS 11) Through the Seat Heating and COOLING front and Back. Note: 12 Power Door and Trunk Closers (all 4 doors) 13 Dynamic Cruse Control..Awesome feature Automatically slows you down or speeds you up by locking onto the car in front of you. You set the max speed you want to drive at and the distance you want to follow the car in front at. 14 Water Repellent Side, Front and rear Windows 15 A switch to go from Standard suspension to Sport suspension. Also an Air suspension in the Ultra that thghtens itself up during emergency maneuvers or during aggressive driving. At hwy Speed it will drop the car about an inch for better Wind Resistance. There is also a switch that will raise the car 3" if needed to drive in snow. 16 The Nav system uses only one disk for all 50 states and Canada. It is very ultra easy to use...Can use the Touch screen or voice activation. 17 Rear seats each have their own controls for recline, Heat, warm, massage, Head rests up or down, there are common Radio controls. 18 Auto leveling HID head lamps. 19 An upper and lower lumbar support control 20 The Bottom seat cussion can be extended for more thigh support. 21 Power Telecoping and Tilt Steering wheel. 22 Parking assist that identifies objects withing 3 ft. in back and side of car Shows on the Nav screen and using a bar graph shows how far away you are from the object. (the new LS has back up camera's) 23 State of the art double air filtration system. I am sure there is more that I am forgetting and I am sure many of these feature are also on the Jag...
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 21, 2006 6:52 am) 37"-38" rear leg room: OK on long trips for passengers 5'8" to 5'10" tall. 39"-40" rear leg room: comfortable long term for passengers 5'11" to 6'0" tall. 41"+ rear leg room: a must for all day comfort if passengers are 6'1" or taller. 42"-43" is better for passengers in the 6'2" to 6'5" range.
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 21, 2006 10:25 am) Merc1: Much as you put Len to task about defining the "celeb crowd" he refers to, I'd ask you the same question here. Can you describe the typical consumer/buyer of HELM to us, based on your vast knowledge of these buyers as you so eloquently spoke in the quote above ? I am especially curious about why you think a HELM buyer does not care about why a car is cheaper or how that came to be ???
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Replying to: scott1256 (Jan 21, 2006 11:52 am) Yep, this makes perfect sense to me. But for your numbers to be meaningful, it also would depend on how tall the people in front are and therefore how far back they put the front seats. My LS is rated at 37.6", and I am 5'11" and felt perfectly comfortable in the back. But if the front seats were all the way back, I bet it would be tight for me. Hey, I'm going to save me a few bucks and start to limit my friends and business associates to 5'10" - then I can get by with a SWB!
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 21, 2006 12:12 pm) If my 5'3" wife drives it opens up lots of back seat room. |
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Replying to: oac (Jan 21, 2006 11:58 am) This has nothing to do with the old bickering about whether car buyers know or care about Toyota's better profits than MB's, etc. Please let's not go there again (at least not unnecessarily, when it's not even relevant).
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