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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Lexus vs Merc [ljflx] by merc1
Jan 21, 2006 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 21, 2006 10:05 am)

Surveys, stories..etc. What celebrity crowd are you talking about? I haven't seen a Lexus (or Audi for that matter) anywhere near the crowd the prefers Mercedes/BMW/Bentley etc. You seem to think a brand like Mercedes is made by their sedans only.
 
I don't deny for a moment that Lexus is gaining in status and wealth of their buyers but one sedan isn't going to put them over Mercedes in the status game. Mercedes has many other models that not even BMW can match when it comes to status etc. Mercedes' position isn't held/made on sedans alone.
 
Why do you think consumers care about build cost? No one cares about that to the point of thinking about what a car company's profits are. Totally irrelevent to a buyer. All buyers care about is the price of the vehicle not why it is cheaper or how that came to be.
 
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Re: S-Class [jrock65] by michael_mattox
Jan 21, 2006 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: jrock65 (Jan 20, 2006 2:03 pm)

JRock:
 
The LS430 is rated at 0-60 in 5.9 sec.
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Re: S-Class [merc1] by michael_mattox
Jan 21, 2006 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 20, 2006 2:14 pm)

Merc.
 
My LS 430 Ultra (01) has an on off switch for the Stability Control.
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Re: Lexus vs Merc [merc1] by tagman
Jan 21, 2006 (10:43 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 21, 2006 10:25 am)

What celebrity crowd are you talking about?
 
merc1,
I think ljflx was referring to the celebrity appreciation (or infatuation, depending upon how you look at it) with HYBRID cars as opposed to Lexus cars. So, the point as I understood it was, once you combine the HYBRID technology to an upstream vehicle like the new LS, it is likely (due to the HYBRID technology) to become a celebrity hit. I do agree with that, as the Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid are "cool" with that crowd (that "crowd" do indeed tend to be environmentalists, trend setters, liberals, progressive thinkers, etc.). The hybrids are "green" and the celebrities love them. And, of course, with that crowd price is not as much a factor.
 
BTW, I do TOTALLY agree with you about the "status" of the Mercedes. I have consistently indicated my position on this.
 
TagMan
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Re: Lexus vs Merc [tagman] by merc1
Jan 21, 2006 (10:47 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 21, 2006 10:43 am)

I still want to know who this celebrity crowd is? The LS hybrid will be a hit no doubt, but with the celeb crowd? Who is that?
 
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Re: Lexus vs Merc [merc1] by tagman
Jan 21, 2006 (10:51 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 21, 2006 10:47 am)

dare I say, in part, those "Southern California" folks? I hate to use the "H" word.
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Re: Lexus vs Merc [ljflx] by tagman
Jan 21, 2006 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 21, 2006 10:05 am)

On top of all that the new LS has great styling and surpasses many if not all of the German cars - IMO.
 
ljflx,
Even though you are a "Lexus guy", I often agree with (or at least appreciate) your perspective on some things, but while I agree that the LS has great styling, I do not agree that it surpasses many if not all of the German cars. I can't go that far out on a limb.
 
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Re: Lexus vs Merc [tagman] by ljflx
Jan 21, 2006 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 21, 2006 10:51 am)

Merc - why do you have such a hard time accepting change? Besides, I said the LS hybrid will be a hit with the celebrity crowd. I said nothing about MB falling apart as a result of it. You implied that and I don't know why or how. I think we all know the meaning of celebrity so I'm not wating my tome on that one.
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Re: Lexus vs Merc [tagman] by ljflx
Jan 21, 2006 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 21, 2006 11:01 am)

Tagman - I don't like the new S and I most certainly don't like the 7-series. There's not much left in the class. I loved the A8 until they put that open mouth grotesque grill on it. Styling is up to each individuals tastes anyway.
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Re: Lexus vs Merc [ljflx] by merc1
Jan 21, 2006 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 21, 2006 11:01 am)

Because that is usually the slant your mesgs come from, Lexus surprassing Mercedes, even if you don't outright say it. If you didn't mean it that way this time then ok, but thats usually the slant it comes from.
 
Secondly, yeah we all know what the meaning of "celebrity" is, but I asked which celebrity "crowd" you were referring to. Big difference. They aren't all the same.
 
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