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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jan 20, 2006 7:17 pm) I think its mostly Jaguar's horrendous quality issues in the late '80s and early '90s before Ford stepped that are the cause of the terrible residuals. That, and the lousy sales and press about the X and S certainly arent doing anything to help the brand. The XJ is a very competent driver, but when it comes to fancy features, it cant even measure up to the current gen LS and the Germans, and cant hold a candle to the LS460 and S550. In the full-size lux class, fancy features count almost as much as the actual act of moving down the road, and the Jag just cant hack it in that area. The interior designers also majorly dropped the ball, and it looks too much like the old car.
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Replying to: rayng (Jan 20, 2006 3:37 pm) For 100 large, what would you buy? S, LS, or ? With $100 large, which car to buy ?? Good question. For one, at $100K, MB will need the S600 to compete against a 500HP (est), 30MPG (est), LWB, hybrid-AWD super lux sedan in the LS600h. Even then, the LS would be cheaper than the S600 by at least $10K. At that price, name brand is a HUGE factor, giving MB a leg up, but Lexus is no longer chop-liver in this space. They have shown a determination to go for the high-end of the market, and we'll see how the new LS variants turn out. Early reviews are all good. But no one has tested the car yet, so its all premature. But I'd wager a tough battle ahead for BMW and MB going against the new LS models. For my money, if I have $100K to splurg on a lux sedan, it will be the LS600H, no doubt about that. The S is a great car and all, but Lexus is just a tiny weenie bit better, IMO. |
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Replying to: rayng (Jan 20, 2006 3:37 pm) Lexus strategy from what I've been told is 30-70 SWB to LWB in year one, 50-50 in year two and 65-35 LWB over SWB in year three.
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 20, 2006 9:07 pm) I'm sorry, I'm still having trouble figuring out why I would need the LWB version of the LS. To me, it is only relevant to the chauffeur-driven executive. As it is now, the back seat of the LS has plenty of leg room for normal adults. Heck, this is why I wanted out of my E-class. Who the heck are you carrying in back that needs to have a leg rest, etc.? I love my kids and my business partners, but not enough to treat them like potentates. I don't want a land yacht. All I want is an AWD version the size of the current model. It's plenty big enough already. Just make it look better, fill it with cool toys that work, and perhaps drive just a touch better - and then sell it for just under $60K out the door (more if you want the rear seat area gussied up). 65% LWB? Why would 2/3rds of buyers want that? |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 20, 2006 7:48 pm) Ok, just exactly which fancy features are you talking about, because the current all-aluminum XJ Vanden Plas has an enormous list of ALL the usual amenities, as well as the more recently fashionable ones such as wireless Bluetooth technology, touch-screen navigation, voice-command system, high-end surround sound audio w/ subwoofer, independent climate control, rear-passenger dedicated multimedia and DVD including individual video monitors, and more. So . . . "can't hack it"? What features are you talking about? Just curious.
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 20, 2006 10:06 pm) Who the heck are you carrying in back that needs to have a leg rest, etc.? I love my kids and my business partners, but not enough to treat them like potentates. Some upscale real estate agents have the 750Li and specifically want the L so their clients have extra room in the backseat. Business executives that are always entertaining clients are common owners.... It might sound crazy to you, but if you've ever ridden in the back of an "i" vs an "Li", you'd be impressed with the comfort. In addition to that, you can only get the articulated and ventilated seats with the Li. When you're talking $80k, what's an extra $4k? 
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 20, 2006 10:06 pm)
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Replying to: bdr127 (Jan 21, 2006 6:38 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 20, 2006 11:34 pm)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 20, 2006 10:06 pm) Who the heck are you carrying in back that needs to have a leg rest, etc.? I love my kids and my business partners, but not enough to treat them like potentates. Why would 2/3rds of buyers want that? garyh1, It sounds like you don't get it . . . at least not yet. The Li, the LS460L, the XJ L & XJ Vanden Plas, and the S-Class all offer (or soon to offer) what MANY of the high end buyers want in a LUXURY car . . . and that is very simply PLENTY of rear-passenger legroom (not just ample legroom). Additionally, a long wheelbase, by it's very nature, tends to offer very smooth ride characteristics. If you haven't been a rear passenger in any of these long wheelbase models, then you owe it to yourself to try it. It really is a more comfortable and INDULGING experience. This is why Lexus will offer the LS460L version. While Lexus is not my first pick, primarily due to my personal styling preferences, I know and respect their genius at what they do. Believe me here . . . you can TRUST that Lexus understands the long wheelbase marketplace very well. TagMan |
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