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You are in the Sedans Forum.

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#13347 of 24723 Re: Sales..... [syswei] by jrock65

Jan 16, 2006 (12:11 pm)

Replying to: syswei (Jan 16, 2006 10:44 am)
Thanks for the link.
 
10 year car growth:
  
BMW 1995: 93,309... 2005: 197,833 up 112%
MB 1995: 76,752... 2005: 183,169 up 139%
Lexus 1995: 79,334... 2005: 151,226 up 91%
 
It's interesting to see that in the past 10 years, MB and BMW car sales have been increasing at a faster rate than Lexus car sales.
 
Lexus kills MB and BMW in SUV sales though. It was smart of them to capitalize on that market.

#13348 of 24723 Re: Sales..... [jrock65] by docnukem

Jan 16, 2006 (12:20 pm)

Replying to: jrock65 (Jan 16, 2006 12:11 pm)
Do you have five year rates for cars alone? That may help determine the shape of the growth curve.

#13349 of 24723 really by syswei

Jan 16, 2006 (12:28 pm)

Some people like to count only cars, for reasons I just can't fathom...other than the reason that it makes German brands look better.
 
If you were trying to figure out from sales numbers what high-end bicycle company was meeting customer desires better, would you look only at road bikes, and exclude mountain bikes? Would that make any sense?
 
If you were trying to figure out from sales numbers what high-end wristwatch company was meeting customer desires better, would you look only at men's watches, and exclude ladies watches? Would that make any sense?
 
If SUVs don't matter, and shouldn't count, why does BMW build them? Why does MB?
 
Are SUVs less worthy of being counted because they have fewer wheels? No. Less expensive? No. What is the reason for not counting them, then? That Lexus does well with them?

#13350 of 24723 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [hpowders] by lexusguy

Jan 16, 2006 (12:31 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Jan 15, 2006 7:10 pm)
I didnt say BMW is yesterdays news, I said "The BMW" meaning the 7 series. Its aging, and there's just no way it will in a comparison against the S550, or LS460. Other than the styling cues, not a lot has changed since its introduction.

#13351 of 24723 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [dewey] by lexusguy

Jan 16, 2006 (12:35 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Jan 15, 2006 6:22 pm)
Apparently most automakers dont seem to think that the inherent balance of an I6 is worth the trade-off. It also takes a very well tuned suspension and steering system to notice the difference, I think. If Lexus switched the I6 in the SC and GS for the V6 in the ES, I dont think anybody would've noticed.

#13352 of 24723 Re: really [syswei] by docnukem

Jan 16, 2006 (12:41 pm)

Replying to: syswei (Jan 16, 2006 12:28 pm)
Personally, I simply like to see both numbers. When I shop for a vehicle, how many vehicles of Brand X are sold versus Brand Y or Z probably won't make one whit of difference. But I would either be shopping for a sedan/coupe or an SUV/CUV/Truck, never both. Maybe it's just me, but I don't consider them the same. From an accountant's or CEO/CFO's perspective, it wouldn't matter.
 
One other thing to consider: if gas suddenly goes to $5/gallon, a manufacturer more heavily entrenched in the truck/SUV side of things may suffer more.

#13353 of 24723 Re: Sales..... [docnukem] by syswei

Jan 16, 2006 (1:00 pm)

Replying to: docnukem (Jan 16, 2006 12:20 pm)
well anyway here are the 5-year numbers, for CARS ONLY, as the germancarfans prefer:
 
BMW 2000: 135,983... 2005: 197,833 up 45%
MB 2000: 152,850... 2005: 183,169 up 20%
Lexus 2000: 101,441... 2005: 151,226 up 49%
 
Any questions?

#13355 of 24723 Re: Sales..... [syswei] by dewey

Jan 16, 2006 (1:04 pm)

Replying to: syswei (Jan 16, 2006 1:00 pm)
well anyway here are the 5-year numbers, for CARS ONLY, as the germancarfans prefer:
 
Great stats, shows the Germans are holding their own and growing. And long term stats of 10 years indicates the German marques were superior.
 
Thanks for pointing that out.
 

#13356 of 24723 Re: Sales..... [dewey] by syswei

Jan 16, 2006 (1:11 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Jan 16, 2006 1:04 pm)
You're spinning in a very German way.
 
What the 5 year numbers show is that BMW is indeed "holding its own" vs Lexus, in cars. But does 20% unit growth for MB, when BMW and Lexus grew 45% and 49% (in cars), mean MB is "holding its own"? Do you think the MB USA execs are patting themselves on the back for that?
 
long term stats of 10 years indicates the German marques were superior.
 
The 10 year stats indicate that the Germans outgrew Lexus IN CARS in that timespan. When combined with the 5 year numbers, the 10 year numbers show that the best "car growth" period for BMW and MB, relative to Lexus, was 1995-2000, NOT 2000-2005. In car terms, isn't 1995-2000 kind of "ancient history"?

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