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You are in the Sedans Forum.

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#13293 of 24723 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [dewey] by oac

Jan 15, 2006 (3:10 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Jan 15, 2006 2:38 pm)
The Lexus LS beat the MB S in head to head competition. Please englighten me with the facts? It appears the world and myself are quite ignorant.
 
You asked, and I am pleased to inform: Better be ready with excuses....
 
1) 2004 Motor Trend Comparo (1st = A8L, 2nd = LS430)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/luxury/112_0409_class/index14.html
 
2) 2004 Car and Driver $70K sedan comparo (1st = LS430)
 
Ranking (last place = S430)
6. Mercedes-Benz S430, Price as tested $87,975
5. Volkswagen Phaeton, Price as tested $69,800 est.
4. Audi A8L, Price as tested $74,690
3. BMW 745i, Price as tested $79,145
2. Jaguar XJ8, Price as tested $64,595
1. Lexus LS430, Price as tested $70,380
 
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?article_id=7248 (it may be archived now, but I have the actual print copy - Dec 2003 edition)

#13294 of 24723 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [oac] by dewey

Jan 15, 2006 (3:21 pm)

Replying to: oac (Jan 15, 2006 3:10 pm)
Ok so two reviews confirm what you are saying! What does that prove?? There were magazine reviews from prior years that showed the Lexus IS300 and the Infiniti G35 as superior to the BMW 3 series. Despite these reviews the BMW 3 series remains the benchmark sport sedan.
 
Sport sedans are my focus. I have no expertise in luxury crusers as it appears you do not have expertise in i6 engines . So I am left with my last secret weapon that will be able to provide a whole slew of other reviews that shows the superiority of the MB S.
 
Let me alert my secret weapon: Calling Merc1 , calling Merc1, I do need your assistance!!!

#13295 of 24723 Where do Lexus sales come from? by tagman

Jan 15, 2006 (3:41 pm)

Without relying on lots of data, for the moment, let us consider that WITHOUT Lexus, what choices would the high end buyer have? Then go ahead and add Lexus to that mix, and there is going to be subtraction at SOME level from the other possible selections. That substraction, theoretically, should be equal to the number of Lexus's sold. Simple enough. Lexus has shaken things up. The flip side is that competition is usually a good thing for those that can endure the process. For those that can't endure it, it's bye-bye-baby.

#13296 of 24723 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [oac] by hpowders

Jan 15, 2006 (3:43 pm)

Replying to: oac (Jan 15, 2006 3:10 pm)
2004? Who cares about 2004? Who's looking backwards?
That's ancient history in this dynamic business.
 
My prediction may come as a shock so brace yourselves, loyal readers:
The BMW 760Li will win the next Car And Driver HELM Comparo, assuming the testers don't die of boredom after testing the Toyota/Lexus entry and are still around to test the other vehicles. Hope they test that one last, so we will at least be able to read the notes of the dynamic vehicles that blend luxury and performance left behind by the comotose testers.
Why the heck do you think BMW is advertising so much at that magazine?
At the very least, they should be able to come up with a win after spending all those Euros.

#13297 of 24723 Re: Where do Lexus sales come from? [tagman] by hpowders

Jan 15, 2006 (3:46 pm)

Replying to: tagman (Jan 15, 2006 3:41 pm)
And BMW can and will endure it.
Thanks to Japanese quality control, BMW has noticeably offered a much more reliable product.
We consumers all benefit from healthy competition.

#13298 of 24723 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [hpowders] by lexusguy

Jan 15, 2006 (3:51 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Jan 15, 2006 3:43 pm)
Dont think so, chief. The BMW is yesterday's news. The winner of the next full size comparo will be either a Lexus or a Mercedes. The BMW will be midpack with Audi, and Jag. No Phaetons this time.

#13299 of 24723 Re: Where do Lexus sales come from? [hpowders] by dewey

Jan 15, 2006 (4:03 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Jan 15, 2006 3:46 pm)
hpowder you are beginning to be indoctrinated by those Lexicans. What has reliability got to do with performance/handling/ride/luxury/design/ exterior and interior fit and finish?

#13300 of 24723 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [dewey] by oac

Jan 15, 2006 (4:05 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Jan 15, 2006 3:21 pm)
Sport sedans are my focus
 
Thanks for letting us know. Unfortunately, this is NOT a sport sedan forum, so what do we make of your past & present contributions ???
 
I have no expertise in luxury crusers as it appears you do not have expertise in i6 engines....
 
As to I6 engines, what makes u conclude as such ? Pls speak for yourself, don't rope me into the "I have no expertise" excuse....

#13301 of 24723 Re: Where do Lexus sales come from? [hpowders] by dewey

Jan 15, 2006 (4:06 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Jan 15, 2006 3:46 pm)
Thanks to Japanese quality control, BMW has noticeably offered a much more reliable product.
 
hpowder you are beginning to be indoctrinated by those Lexicans. What has reliability got to do with performance/handling/ride/luxury/design/ exterior and interior fit and finish?
 

#13302 of 24723 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [hpowders] by oac

Jan 15, 2006 (4:13 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Jan 15, 2006 3:43 pm)
2004? Who cares about 2004? Who's looking backwards?
That's ancient history in this dynamic business.
 
Of course its history bcos your German car brands lost to the LS430... Figures. These are auto rags who love the German cars but are objective enough to declare the LS430 as top notch among its peers.... Bitter pill for some German car fans to swallow, no doubt. BTW, the current 2006 versions of these cars are mostly the same, with a few engine upgrades (745 --> 750). So what's really different between MY2004 and MY2006 for the HELM comparo ??? You tell me...

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