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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#13258 of 24726 MB, BMW?? what else you have?
Jan 15, 2006 (8:34 am)
The battle will be hard this time, MB, BMW you better have something in your pockets, coz lexus will smoke you all!!
Lexus has also emboldened the exterior design, flaring and widening the wheel wells, pulling the roofline back, eliminating the door moldings, strengthening the sheetmetal's convex/concave intersections, and raising the tail end. Super sophisticated equipment including adaptive radar cruise control, a lane departure warning system (I posted this before, it is called LKA -Lane Keep Assist-), and infrared night vision technology are also available on the new 2007 Lexus LS 460.
Source: http://www.autoweb.com/content/shared/articles/templates/index.cfm/article_id_in- t/976
#13259 of 24726 Re: 7-Series vs Quattroporte [brightness04]
Jan 15, 2006 (8:45 am)
The sentiment is exactly how I feel about BMW (too rough riding to be high end luxury),
Naturally, there are those that would not necessarily make BMW their top pick for a variety of reasons, and obviously many do love Bimmers and make it their number one choice, of course . . . but to EXCLUDE them from being high end luxury is going overboard, IMHO.
(BTW, I am not biased for or against BMW in general. I am just amazed at your exclusionary remark.)
#13260 of 24726 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [lexusi]
Jan 15, 2006 (8:48 am)
Actually, it would be good if Lexus kicked some butt. It would sharpen up the Germans. But I suppose this means the Germans will try to outdo them with technology, slathering on frivolous feature on top of frivolous feature, sticking their hands in our pockets while doing it. That goes for the Japanese too.
#13261 of 24726 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [designman]
Jan 15, 2006 (9:15 am)
Actually, it would be good if Lexus kicked some butt.
designman - Lexus has been kicking butt for some time now.
#13262 of 24726 Re: 7-Series vs Quattroporte [tagman]
Jan 15, 2006 (9:41 am)
Tagman - completely agree. BMW promotes sport over luxury but to exclude them from rank is absurd.
#13264 of 24726 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [tagman]
Jan 15, 2006 (10:24 am)
Not the first Toyotist-Lexican to attempt to exclude the 7 series from this board.
I mentioned my preference for the 760Li just the other day and was shot down for it-'the BMW is far lower in luxury (read "boredom") than the LS,' yada, yada. Ad nauseum.
#13265 of 24726 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [lexusi]
Jan 15, 2006 (10:40 am)
We BMW-philes do have "something in our pockets."
The great, incomparable Comfort Access key fob which makes starting up our matchless, smooth inline engines, which nobody else has been able to copy, that much easier to start and achieve that ultimate driving sensation a little faster.
As a compassionate person, I can empathize with your frustration.
It is, after all, quite maddening to try and defend the undefendable.
Good luck with that.
Of course, the obvious solution for relief would be for you to visit your nearest BMW dealer as quickly as possible and drive a 760Li.
#13266 of 24726 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [hpowders]
Jan 15, 2006 (10:42 am)
The 760Li may not be everyone's preference, but to go through a massive rhetorical puking process to try to NUKE it (and others as well) . . . is . . . well . . . you know.
. . . consider the source?
#13267 of 24726 Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [tagman]
Jan 15, 2006 (10:54 am)
These folks who put down BMW-I wonder how many of them have actually driven the 7 series?
Someone earlier spoke of "integrity."
It would be nice if people will qualify their criticisms by indicating their experience driving a specific vehicle they claim they don't like.
If someone says he doesn't like the 7 series-fine-tell us specifically what you didn't like-the steering, brakes, seats, legroom, body lean, maneuverability on passing, the suspension, iDrive, trunk, acceleration, hi-fi system, quality of the leather and wood?
"Not luxurious enough to be on the HELM board" doesn't cut it and is usually the kind of remark made by someone who has not driven the vehicle.