Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#13136 of 24726 Re: Soul Train [hpowders]
Jan 13, 2006 (2:25 pm)
Hey, Merc1 doesn't even own a Mercedes but his posts about Mercedes and the other HELM's are always among the most articulate and penetrating on this thread.
Just because I drive a 545i doesn't exclude me from posting here despite what you think.
Since when is what someone drives a prerequisite to posting on the HELM board?
How did you come into this conclusion, Howard ? Just when I thought we were becoming friends, now you just blow it all out of proportion. I simply quoted you that you don't care much for luxury, you said as much yourself, right. So why beat on me for echoing your words ? And being a fan of Merc1 doesn't mean I have to be as well....
Let's be honest. The LS is nothing more than an over-priced Toyota and Toyota has done you Lexicans a favor by making the Camry and LS almost indistinguishable in style to help remind you of this fact.
An overpriced Toyota, eh ? Good one. But I thought you wanted to give the car a spin, No ? Now it appears you are bitter against it, slaming it. Won't be the first time a German fan has called all Lexus vehicles as over-priced Toyota.... Now Lexus (ehm, overpriced Toyota) is the #1 selling luxury nameplate in America. Good for them...
From here on in, I will always refer to this car as what it really is: the 2007 Toyota LS 460.
You'll be in a single digit minority on that one.
#13137 of 24726 7-Series vs Quattroporte
Jan 13, 2006 (2:35 pm)
The Quattroporte is considerably more money and its drive train goes out of the luxury realm with sport, from the high-revving engine to the sequential gearbox. The reviews knocked it for city driving. It’s a tuner barge. Furthermore, service access is limited, extremely limited. So the 7-Series/Quattroporte comparisons aren’t very convincing.
#13138 of 24726 Re: Super Car [hpowders]
Jan 13, 2006 (2:55 pm)
"The Lexicans have fallen for the biggest dupe in marketing:
Rebadging a Toyota and calling it something else to pretend it's now a "Luxury Vehicle." "
Yet, you *supposedly* went out and almost bought a GS430!
The Lexicans have fallen for the biggest dupe, or the europhiles have fallen for the biggest dupe? Huh...questions, questions.
Jan 13, 2006 (3:05 pm)
When is the S class being launched in the US?
#13140 of 24726 Re: Super Car [maxhonda99]
Jan 13, 2006 (3:08 pm)
Actually he thought it was a great car and wanted it badly. But he's just toying around and having fun with these posts now, don't take them seriously.
#13141 of 24726 Re: Super Car [maxhonda99]
Jan 13, 2006 (3:11 pm)
I remember when he was cross-shopping. He got caught in the Lexican frenzy until he drove the GS… whoa... pop went the balloon, end of show… it ain’t no BMW. Hence he bought the 545.
#13142 of 24726 Re: Must Be Mass Hypnosis! [syswei]
Jan 13, 2006 (3:12 pm)
For a very good reason.
I have never driven a Quattroporte.
#13143 of 24726 Re: Super Car [designman]
Jan 13, 2006 (3:14 pm)
And was that GS a huge disappointment.
No "soul" as they say in Metaphysics 101.
#13144 of 24726 Exterior and interior design rankings
Jan 13, 2006 (3:18 pm)
This is how I'd rank the exteriors and interiors in this class.
1) S550: 9
2) A8: 8
3) LS460: 6
4) 750i: 4
1) LS460: 8
1) A8: 8
3) S550: 7
4) 750i: 6
(I'm not a BMW hater btw... I think the 3 series is the best looking car in its class.)
#13145 of 24726 Re: Soul Train [oac]
Jan 13, 2006 (3:22 pm)
When I slam a vehicle, I make sure I have driven it several times.
What can I say? I didn't feel the LS was worth $60k+.
I had an open mind about it and wanted to like it but didn't due to the reasons I have previously posted.
I plan on driving the LS460 when it hits the showrooms.
If I see driving improvments over the LS430, I will say so.
We can still be friends-sort of like Bush and Chavez.