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You are in the Sedans Forum.

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#13119 of 24723 Re: Soul Train [oac] by hpowders

Jan 13, 2006 (2:14 pm)

Replying to: oac (Jan 13, 2006 8:34 am)
Interesting how you presume to know that our host Pat must be a "he."
I would bet against you on that one, but that is really neither here nor there.
 
The new Toyota LS460 will have a long way to go to displace the BMW 760Li in luxury and performance.
Toyota is playing catch-up. BMW surely isn't.
 
Hey, Merc1 doesn't even own a Mercedes but his posts about Mercedes and the other HELM's are always among the most articulate and penetrating on this thread.
Just because I drive a 545i doesn't exclude me from posting here despite what you think.
Since when is what someone drives a prerequisite to posting on the HELM board?
 
I drove the 2005 LS several times and was most unimpressed-from the flabby over-assisted steering, the slippery wooden steering wheel and the barge-like body lean.
 
Let's be honest. The LS is nothing more than an over-priced Toyota and Toyota has done you Lexicans a favor by making the Camry and LS almost indistinguishable in style to help remind you of this fact.
 
From here on in, I will always refer to this car as what it really is:
the 2007 Toyota LS 460.

#13120 of 24723 Re: Soul Train [hpowders] by syswei

Jan 13, 2006 (2:22 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Jan 13, 2006 2:14 pm)
The new Toyota LS460 will have a long way to go to displace the BMW 760Li in luxury and performance.
 
Displace it in luxury? How is the 7 more luxurious?
 
Performance? That is more debatable. In torque, hp, straight-line acceleration, the LS is going to win vs the 750. In "driving dynamics" the 7 imho will win, at least among the sport minded.
 
Toyota is playing catch-up. BMW surely isn't.
 
Look at the sales figures in this country and then tell me who's playing catch up with the buying public.

#13121 of 24723 100k Mazda by dhamilton

Jan 13, 2006 (2:26 pm)

Lot's of hilarity here. So before anyone thinks I'm anti Lexus
that new S class looks like they hired Todd Bridges to steal the fenders off a Mazda RX8 and glue them on the new Benz.
Nice to see Todd's getting some work outside of Hollywood. Nice work T, stay off the crack pipe.

#13122 of 24723 Re: 100k Mazda [dhamilton] by syswei

Jan 13, 2006 (2:28 pm)

Replying to: dhamilton (Jan 13, 2006 2:26 pm)
new S class looks like they hired Todd Bridges to steal the fenders off a Mazda RX8 and glue them on the new Benz.
 
It was funny a day or so ago when one of the german car fanatics said the fenders on the new S would be "copied" by others in the industry. As if prominent fenders were some sort of MB innovation, hahaha!

#13123 of 24723 Super Car by grandaddy

Jan 13, 2006 (2:33 pm)

Bottom line, Lexus is superior to BMW or Mercedes, regardless of price. This simply cannot be objectively denied. It should have its own class (supercar) above the other two. There is really no comparison. Any rational person could see and understand this. Period.

#13124 of 24723 Uh, what’s going on here? by designman

Jan 13, 2006 (2:38 pm)

Oac, Ljflx… did you guys call in the Lexican National Guard?
 

#13125 of 24723 Re: Super Car [grandaddy] by hpowders

Jan 13, 2006 (2:42 pm)

Replying to: grandaddy (Jan 13, 2006 2:33 pm)
How can a Toyota with all the mediocrity that name implies be considered superior to BMW or Mercedes?
The Lexicans have fallen for the biggest dupe in marketing:
Rebadging a Toyota and calling it something else to pretend it's now a "Luxury Vehicle."
 
Gimmee a break!

#13126 of 24723 Re: Soul Train [oac] by maxhonda99

Jan 13, 2006 (2:42 pm)

Replying to: oac (Jan 13, 2006 9:39 am)
"Lower priced luxury cars like the LS do sell at greater volume than higher priced cars like the MB S. "
 
Why bother with these lame reasons? We've all been thru this before a million times. The reason the LS sells in greater numbers to the S-class is always because of lower price! Yet, none of the LS detractors can seem to explain how similarly priced competition(ES vs. C-class or RX vs. ML320) can work in Lexus' favor also? I mean if the LS sells in greater volume because of it's price advantage, shouldn't the entry level C-class Benz be outselling the ES330? Or shouldn't the similarly priced MB ML be clobbering the RX??? Yet, the similarly priced RX turns the ML into cow manure!
 
Also, if the above statement were true, how can one explain the abysmal sales of the Infiniti Q45 or Jaguar XJ? If sales were largely dependant on price, the Q should be smashing sales records!

#13127 of 24723 Re: Super Car [hpowders] by syswei

Jan 13, 2006 (2:46 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Jan 13, 2006 2:42 pm)
Rebadging a Toyota and calling it something else to pretend it's now a "Luxury Vehicle."
 
Please educate me on why a 750 is more of a "Luxury Vehicle" than a LS.

#13128 of 24723 Re: Soul Train [hpowders] by lexusguy

Jan 13, 2006 (2:52 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Jan 13, 2006 2:14 pm)
Performance, perhaps not, but the BMW 7 series is one of the LEAST luxurious cars in the HELM segment. Both the A8 and the new S blow it out of the water in that respect. It doesnt even have the best performance in the segment, either. The Quattroporte has better performance, and is much more luxurious. "The Ultimate Also-ran".

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