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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Soul Train by tagman
Jan 12, 2006 (7:34 pm)
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This interesting point about a car having a "soul", . . .
 
I went to dictionary.com to see what was listed as the definitions, and most of the definitions were about the obvious spiritual meanings, but this one got my attention:
 
sole = The central or integral part; the vital core
 
So, a car DOES have a soul. And what it has always meant to many is that some cars have a "special feeling" when driven and have "unique characteristics" that "identify that particular car" or type of car for what it is.
 
When I was younger, I owned a Ferrari (I needed to get it out of my system I think) and it had qualities unlike ANYTHING I had ever driven. It had a soul. And so did my Carrera (no longer own, either). BMW's have a soul, Mercedes have a soul, as most cars do, of course. Not too long ago, on the autospies website, there was discussion regarding the problems with the Mercury vehicles. It was suggested that the problem with the Mercury vehicles was that they had no soul! And that was their very problem. Interesting indeed, and maybe true?
 
So who ever says a car has no soul . . . stands corrected by the dictionary definition as well as the obvious historical expressive use of the word as it applies to cars.
 
TagMan
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Re: That Is Why [blckislandguy] by dewey
Jan 12, 2006 (7:44 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jan 12, 2006 7:01 pm)

Not even my wife's 83 MB300D will scare off my clients!
 
My clients dont care what I drive as long as my investment advice makes them rich enough to afford a lifetime of high end marques.
 
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Re: That Is Why [dewey] by tagman
Jan 12, 2006 (7:46 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 12, 2006 7:44 pm)

as it should be, dewey
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Re: That Is Why [tagman] by dewey
Jan 12, 2006 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 12, 2006 7:46 pm)

The following is an article from Businessweek. As you said voice recognition will make BMW idrive issues irrelevant:
 
Scott Nelson, an analyst for Honda's planning group in Torrance, Calif., says: "In a few years, voice-recognition will be good enough to let you say, 'Find me a Beatles tune,' and the stereo will search satellite radio or programmed music and find one."
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Re: Soul Train [tagman] by hpowders
Jan 12, 2006 (8:05 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 12, 2006 7:34 pm)

Right. It's really a special exciting feeling that is transferred from a high performance vehicle to the driver.
If you have to ask, you haven't driven one of these vehicles.
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Re: Soul Train [hpowders] by tagman
Jan 12, 2006 (8:17 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jan 12, 2006 8:05 pm)

Right. It's really a special exciting feeling that is transferred from a high performance vehicle to the driver.
 
I would agree the feeling is probably most obvious in a high performance vehicle, but I would not go so far as to say all ultra-luxury cruisers lack soul. It's more likely just "different".
 
If you have to ask, you haven't driven one of these vehicles.
 
YES . . . or . . . as I believe . . . that some people simply do not "connect" with their car!
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Re: Soul Train [tagman] by oac
Jan 12, 2006 (8:58 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 12, 2006 7:34 pm)

Let's see if we get this correct: The 745/750 has *soul*, but the LS430/460 doesn't ! Right ? Although I'd confine such statements to the realm of the sublime to the ridiculous, but YMMV...
 
Now let's move on.... Merc1's post on predictions is a good one and well worth our attention and comments.
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Re: That Is Why [hpowders] by brightness04
Jan 12, 2006 (9:11 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jan 12, 2006 6:48 pm)

Sure. Everyone who drives a BMW knows what I am talking about.
Call it soul or an indefinable something.
But BMW's got it.
Some people can see Tinkerbell. Some can't.
What can I say?

 
I think HELM is quite a materialist pursuit, not that of the spiritualists. People who see Tinkerbell are an even smaller minority than those who see Santa Clause or tooth-fairy
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Re: Soul Train [tagman] by brightness04
Jan 12, 2006 (9:18 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 12, 2006 7:34 pm)

If you define "soul" as "the central or integral part; the vital core" how can anything be without "soul"? Even a homogeneous pound of cheese has a vital core, without which you will have less than one pound
 
Mercury vehicle certain has a soul by that definition; without the drive train there would be no functional Mercury vehicle.
 
IMHO, that definition cheapens "soul" in this context.

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