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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: That Is Why [hpowders] by bdr127
Jan 12, 2006 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jan 12, 2006 8:48 am)

the pretenders will never catch BMW.
They will always be one step ahead of the competition.
No time wasted looking in the mirror.
Funny how all the Bangle-bashing has turned into automotive plagiarism.

 
Notice how many other luxury marques are doing the whole "joystick" thing?.... Funny how BMW takes the heat 3-4 years early, then everyone else follows along.
 
AUDI:

 
ACURA:

 
INFINITI:
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Sooner Or Later by hpowders
Jan 12, 2006 (11:43 am)
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Lexus will cave like the others with an iDrive copy.
It's almost inevitable despite what Lexus says.
These HELM's are getting so complex with electronic sophistication, I don't see how they can avoid it much longer.
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Beautiful overload, solved by VOICE COMMAND by tagman
Jan 12, 2006 (11:47 am)
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The gorgeous interiors are compelling and amazing in comparison to the interiors of earlier generation cars. Great technology, safety, and comfort all rolled together. The joystick is fine with me, but as I have said before, the number of buttons is getting ridiculous, and the only ultimate logical way to manage it all is with voice command. This allows all the technology to be user- friedly, and allows the driver to DRIVE instead of pushing buttons and touchscreens everywhere. Let's face it, the technology is going to come, like it or not, so I'm a big believer in voice command. One command and it's done!
TagMan
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I-Drive, get over it by jaman_ca
Jan 12, 2006 (11:48 am)
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What's with people and i-drive. The whole critisism wasn't about the joystick, it's the fact that it took 6 steps to chagne the radio station where previously it was a simple turn of the dial or press of one button.
 
So it's not a question of hardware, but software! The other car companies, from what I read, have systems that are much more intuitive, even though they use the joystick like BMW.
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Re: Sooner Or Later [hpowders] by sv7887
Jan 12, 2006 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jan 12, 2006 11:43 am)

Hi all,
 That is hardly the case. I've designed navigation systems for Air Force planes and they'd fire me if I designed something as inane as iDrive or these pointless systems. Look at the cockpits of Boeing 777's and 747's. Despite the glass cockpits, there are buttons everywhere.
 
A 747/777 is far more complex than anything BMW, Audi, or MB could ever build, so if the military doesn't "need" one then I doubt a car will ever "need" one. The LS460 is as technologically as advanced as the competition yet they don't see the need to put a dumb iDrive clone system in there.
 
If I need to change a radio station on my LS430 I merely set the right station and hold down the pre-set location for a few seconds. That's called user friendly. Notice how Lexus is able to pull off complex technology like Navigation systems without making it needlessly complicated?
 
I'd never consider BMW the leader in style or anything beyond driving dynamics...The style award probably belongs to Audi or more recently Mercedes.
 
SV
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Re: Sooner Or Later [hpowders] by lexusguy
Jan 12, 2006 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jan 12, 2006 11:43 am)

I dont think so. I was surprised to see Acura go that route with the RL, but I dont see Lexus doing it. They've been showing the world that touch screens are the best way to go since '98, before BMW, Mercedes, or Audi had any idea how to design a proper NAV interface.
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Re: Sooner Or Later [hpowders] by rayng
Jan 12, 2006 (2:37 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jan 12, 2006 11:43 am)

iDrive menus are not intuitive and borderline unsafe to use when I'm on the cell phone. My wife hates the iDrive on our 745 and wished there were an easier way to just add her favorite radio stations. BMW should take a page from Audi's MMI which seems pretty easy to use. The Lexus dash has lots of buttons which I feel are easier to use than menus.
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Which cars have Voice Command? by tagman
Jan 12, 2006 (3:09 pm)
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As I've been saying, the solution is VOICE COMMAND, not a button-pushing song and dance act.
 
Acura (and Honda) vehicles have a terrific voice command system that was developed cooperatively with IBM. Others have early generations voice command, and it will only get better. One command and it's done. Coupled with bluetooth . . . just say "call TagMan" and the call is placed automatically. "Find nearest gas station", and the navigation system calculates a route, or gives you choices of different gas stations. Tell the system to tune into "satellite channel 21", for example, and it's done!! Tell the system to set the "temperature at 70 degrees" and it's done!!
 
So . . . problem solved!!
 
TagMan
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Re: Sooner Or Later [rayng] by bdr127
Jan 12, 2006 (3:11 pm)
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Replying to: rayng (Jan 12, 2006 2:37 pm)

iDrive menus are not intuitive and borderline unsafe to use when I'm on the cell phone. My wife hates the iDrive on our 745 and wished there were an easier way to just add her favorite radio stations.
 
What year is your 745? IDrive still gets bad press for some reason, even though the current version in the 750 is amazing intuitive and easy to use...
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Re: Which cars have Voice Command? [tagman] by syswei
Jan 12, 2006 (3:20 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 12, 2006 3:09 pm)

I agree with you, voice is the interface of the future.

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