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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#13019 of 24723 Re: A Shift in Gears.......... [lexusguy]
Jan 12, 2006 (2:23 am)
You would think BMW would do that, but the rivalry in Germany is way too hot for them to back down now. They'll do a R-Class competitor if it kills them. I suspect they'll make a better one as far as fun to drive and maybe in looks, but I don't see how it will be any bigger and still keep the BMW sport theme intact. The saying was that BMW product planning was carried out in Stuttgart.
I forgot about that, they've turned the arrangement around for the Passat for this generation! The Q7 I've seen is supposed to get the Passat V6 though. I gotta look up that info again.
Yeah the Jaguar XJ does have a long time to go, but then again maybe not. Automobile is running a story this month about a radical re-skin planned for 2009 which will see the XJ move away from the tough S/LS/7 segment and turns towards the CLS/Quattroporte segment. I keep seeing where everyone says that Jaguar is going to be taken upmarket to face Bentley, but I've never read that anywhere? Such a thing I don't think is possible.
Jan 12, 2006 (5:52 am)
What is the talk on what will happen with Maybach? It looks like 2005 unit sales were way, way below the company's original plans. Will they go downmarket a bit, like Bentley? Or fold the division entirely?
#13021 of 24723 Re: Maybach [syswei]
Jan 12, 2006 (6:02 am)
I don't see them folding the division as in halting sales/production. They'll ether fold it back into Mercedes and just make it an grander Mercedes or they'll just soldier on until they can redesign the car. If they Maybach 57S doesn't give some life to the sales this year I'm sure we'll see some kind of organizational change.
I think the lack of name recognition and dumpy styling hurt the car more than anything else. Rolls got much closer to their sales goal in 2005.
#13022 of 24723 Re: Maybach [merc1]
Jan 12, 2006 (6:06 am)
I wouldn't call the Phantom a styling improvement over Maybach or anything else. But yes I imagine the RR name can help.
#13023 of 24723 Re: Maybach [syswei]
Jan 12, 2006 (6:09 am)
True, neither are beautiful, but between the RR name and the flying-brick-in-your-face styling it does have a road presence the Maybach can't match.
#13024 of 24723 Re: More on Lexus Intelligent Park Assist system [tagman]
Jan 12, 2006 (6:38 am)
Sorry I missed your post. It had me laughing so much, I was spilling coffee without the cupholder's help!
#13025 of 24723 Re: A Shift in Gears.......... [lexusguy]
Jan 12, 2006 (6:41 am)
Infiniti is showing the "concept coupe" which is basically the next G35 coupe, so I dont think that the next G is that far away. I think it will definitely be a '07 model, just not sure when its going to show up.
So far it's in my number one slot for styling star of the year. I can't imagine anything beating it on my scorecard with all of the abominations and gropemobiles out there. It is both elegant and sporty-aggressive which is a very hard feat to achieve. And it presents more than a facelift. I hope it's the production version.
#13027 of 24723 Re: New S class look [merc1]
Jan 12, 2006 (6:51 am)
I like the new S class: I may even get used to the flares.
The S still has a tailored appearance, but with a little more bulk/muscule in the profile.
Not as chunky as two generations back, the '1992 Blitzen' as you call it.
#13028 of 24723 Re: A Shift in Gears.......... [merc1]
Jan 12, 2006 (6:56 am)
Interesting, I had not heard that about the XJ. I guess it would make sense though, now that Aston Martin is getting into the "four-door coupe" game, why not Jag?
The story on Jags future is kind of wierd. Supposedly, PAG wants to push Volvo up into Benz and BMW territory (maybe get the cars in line with Volvo's outrageous pricing?). The new Lincoln "concept" that will be the replacement for the LS is supposed to be a cousin of the next S80, which will be V8 powered. The X-type will be killed off, and something is going to happen with the S-type, but I'm not quite sure what. They were originally going to make it aluminum like the XJ and XK, but now it seems that wont happen. Sadly, both the X-type and S-type will continue basically unchanged until at least 2008, so the immediate future for Jag looks pretty bleak.