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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#1302 of 24726 I JUST SAW AND SAT IN THE NEW 745i!!!!
Jun 30, 2001 (2:07 pm)
I can't believe my good fortune. I was called by a research company to evaluate 3 automobiles. I had an inkling that it might be the new BMW.
The three cars were Lexus LS430, MB S430 and the BMW 745i.
I have to say right off, the car looks much better in person than it does in photos. Though the trunklid still looks just a bit awkward, it definitely looks better in person.
I will try to recall all the details that I can.
The headlamps are bi-xenon and have the "halo" effect like the 2001 5-series. VERY cool.
The 745i bases at 71,650. Which is significantly more than the current 7-series. That includes the usual stuff, including an "active" type suspension. The car they had there was FULLY loaded. Had auto door closers, the trunk was auto open and close and was a sight to behold. I DEFINITELY would want that. It is just amazing to watch.
The best way I can describe the interior is that it is like sitting in a living room full of Italian furniture. With this interior, BMW has definitely taken a high-tech path to luxury. It definitely has a luxurious feel, but if you think of Italian furniture, sleek, VERY modern, you will know what I am talking about. I think BLACK will be the best color for this interior.
Also, the standard wood has a matte finish. I would definitely upgrade to the shiny stuff. The matte is ok, but doesn't look as rich as shiny wood.
The seats are fantastic! Think of sitting in a catchers mitt, all snug and cozy. That's exactly the way it felt. The seats are just awesome, and the controls for them, which are on the side of the center console are unique. There is a rotary control and you turn it either way after selecting the portion of the seat control that you want to change. Very unique, and very effective. Of course it had the heating and cooling seats.
ANOTHER COOL feature is the rear window shades. THEY ARE ELECTRIC!! There are controls on either rear door that control the rear quarter window shade of the rear door shade. They can also be controlled from the front seat. The center console is HUGE! VERY wide, but again, very elegant in a high-tech way. When you open up the two center "armrests", it is cavernous inside. A definite improvement over my 740's armrest storage, which is non-existent.
The i-Drive is FANTASTIC! It is the most amazing thing I've ever tried. Also, the center hood, which I complained about in the past as looking stupid. Well, guess what, in person it looks REALLY good. It blends in surprisingly well, and doesn't look like an add-on, which is the way it looks in the pics to me.
The rear seat passengers have a drop down mirror, like the Mercedes, except that there is only 1 and it is in the center. The other feeling that strikes me about the interior, is it is very much like a cockpit, especially with the brushed chrome overhead console.
The rear seat legroom has NOT improved on this i model. I thought maybe it would be, but with the frontseat set comfortably for a six footer, the knee room is still about the same, maybe just a tiny bit more than the current 740i.
The rear seats were also VERY comfortable, but again, it is like sitting in really comfortable leather furniture. You sit IN to the seat, not on them. It would DEFINITELY be my choice for a long-distance drive.
This car so out-classes the Mercedes S-Class, it is unbelievable, and I was a Mercedes faithful for years.
Jul 01, 2001 (6:47 pm)
How did you get that opportunity? Do you work in the auto business, or know someone? I doubt they call up random people to review the next super-luxury car of the world! If you in fact did sit in the 745i, tell us some more about the iDrive. Did you use it at all? Is it intuitive, or did it take awhile to figure out how to control the functions? That will be the most important piece of equipment for the public. Give us some more details, you lucky dog~ A.R.
Jul 02, 2001 (4:20 am)
FYI, is4b2rd has made the exact same post to several message boards. I'm a little suspicious of the posts although I doubtt he has any reason to make it up. Wouldn't such a pre-release comparison be held under non-disclosure though? He's announcing prices before BMW does??
Jul 02, 2001 (6:34 am)
I was simply called by a research company that I've done focus groups before. When you go to a focus group you fill out a questionnaire so they know a little about you. They know I am a current BMW 740 owner. That is why I believe I was chosen.
Yes, the i-Drive was intuitive, to me. If anyone is techno-phobic, they might have a problem with the idea, but the execution is brilliant. Of course I wasn't able to use it while driving so can't say for sure if it will be a distraction, but the display is somewhat in your line of sight and as I've said before, once you commit to memory which way to push the "button" it will be simple to use.
To bitkahuna. Give me break guy. I am just trying to give some information on my experience with the car. Yes, I have posted the EXACT same post to several message boards. Did you think I was going to retype the message multiple times. It doesn't bother me that you are suspicious. I had a great experience seeing the car, and just wanted to share it. Take it or leave it.
As far as pricing, I was only giving what the "research company" showed as a base price comparing the pricing to the S430 and LS430. It is highly possible that the price will change. Again, I was just posting what I saw.
Jul 02, 2001 (1:44 pm)
Sorry about being a bit suspicious, although I did qualify by saying I didn't see a reason you'd make up what you said.
Thanks for posting the info... sounds like a great car, although expen$ive. Was the $71K just a BASE price? BMW (and Mercedes) usually have extensive options for things that should be included (like metallic paint!).
Jul 02, 2001 (4:06 pm)
A German friend of mine is getting his new 745 in November. In Germany, that is. It'll be interesting to see one live there if indeed he's already received it by end-November, for I'll be visiting there just at the right time for a conference.
#1308 of 24726 bolony by is4b2rd
Jul 02, 2001 (7:27 pm)
I say this fellllow is 100% pure bolony, wether he's seen the car or not. Just look at his reaction to his so called "good fortune". He also owns 740 and MB CL, conviniently has problems to tell about. Definitly a Toyota owner with a computer and no friends, otherwise he would not be running here first thing to tell about it. No way owner of a 740 and CL would be so hyped over an electric sunshade on new 7. I do believe forums like this one are magnet's for guy's like him. My second day here and I'm outta here. Those of us that own and actually drive MB S or BMW 7 know what the cars are all about (exellent ride) and I'm not gonna wet my pants over electric trunk closer or sunshade.
#1309 of 24726 bitkahuna
Jul 02, 2001 (11:10 pm)
Wow! I can only imagine. By they way I got to "see" a couple of Diablo's this weekend. I never realized how loud the V12 in that car is, it sounds as if it's barely running, but man you throttle it! Pure race car. I'll love German "luxury" cars but Porsche is second fiddle when it comes to Ferrari and Lamborghini.
I would agree that the Arnage Red Label is an awesome car, but I can't quite say its the best. But given the proper finances, it would be in the same garage with all the German iron.
Since there seems to be some doubt on is4b2rd's review of the 745i, I'll not comment on it. I will say though I too expect it to be the best in the world with Mercedes, Audi (new A8) and Lexus to start answering the challenge for 2003 and 2004.
#1310 of 24726 Very sad indeed..
Jul 03, 2001 (8:38 am)
Hmmm, just read the post by bolony. You are a sad creature. I don't have to justify anything to you or anyone else. I am a car enthusiast through and through and enjoy driving and owning the cars I love. I like gadgets, and yes was excited by electric side shades because I have wondered why they weren't in the past.
I was simply sharing my interest with folks I thought were a bunch of car guys. I don't need to logon and read these comments and will not in the future. I am outta here, enjoy.