High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#13008 of 24700 News Alert! New name for LS 460 L by tagman Jan 11, 2006 (9:05 pm)
Seems that the Lexus folks have decided to call the long wheelbase model the LS 460 L Vanden Plas . . . it comes with the Grey Poupon AND a little sushi, being from Japan. What do you think, oac?
#13009 of 24700 Re: Merc [callmedrfill] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:00 pm)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Jan 11, 2006 5:47 am) As far as Lexus cars looking alike, if you look at the cars, in profile, they definitely look much different from each other. The GS has a more rounded profile. The IS is full of particularly sharp styling cues, and is heavily starched, without becoming an Acura TL. The LS falls in between. So I'm not seeing it either, Merc. A crease here or there, but that's it. Oh I didn't think you would, though in the pics its obvious from the rear. I agree that the GS doesn't look the same from the side. Thank goodness the LS and IS don't have the humpback whale look of the GS - its awful looking from the sides. And the ML has obviously learned quite a bit from the original RX300. HA! Small problem, the ML came out BEFORE the original RX300 so this statment is just flat out false regarding styling. M
#13010 of 24700 Re: Certainly no mercedes vehicles look similar [idele] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:02 pm)
Replying to: idele (Jan 11, 2006 6:49 am) The previous S had a sleek tailored look that was very attractive. The new S seems to revert to the bulky style of the S preceding that one. First part of this is true - I agree. I passed a 2006 S500 Sport this morning in Pewter, absolutely gorgeous. However the new car doesn't look nearly as bulky in person as the 1992 Blitzen Benz S-Class. M Replies to this message: scott1256 (Jan 12, 2006 5:51 am)
#13011 of 24700 Re: merc1 [syswei] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:04 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Jan 11, 2006 6:57 am) But let's say you're right (for the sake of arguement, and I'd still like to hear an unbiased opinion for instance from designman), and the Camry is a clone. What makes it ok for the S to copy the Maybach butt, but not ok for the Camry to copy the LS butt? I guess it is acceptable when a German company does it, but not acceptable when a Japanese company does it? Yeah its more acceptable for Mercedes to take cues from Maybach because for one the Maybach was to be a "Mercedes" in the first place. Remember the original concept from the Tokyo autoshow in 1997? Secondly, the knock your fellow Lexus fans heaped on MB (and others) was that they made their cheap cars look like the least expensive ones. Well the S taking cues from the Maybach is the opposite. Big difference from that to a LS430 looking like a overfed Camry. Huge difference! M
#13012 of 24700 Re: From the NY Times [ljflx] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:09 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 11, 2006 7:59 am) Merc1 may not like the styling but everyone else does. Everyone? Try the NYT likes the styling. They in no way, shape of form speak for "everyone". Is this the same "source" that had a writer that said something ridiculous about liking a Maxima more than LS430? M
#13013 of 24700 Re: Copying, Gimmicks etc.... [brightness04] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:16 pm)
Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 11, 2006 10:21 am) Try look at 1989 LS400 and 1989 420SE side by side. The 420SE with its busy grill protruding like a tumor is positively ghastly and the rest of the car was replete with 80's boxy designs. Whereas the LS400, by the looks alone it can well be a car made today, with all its cleanly flowing lines. I already gave you that the original LS400 was a rounder car, but it doensn't look anything today to my eyes. Just a large Toyota. True the W126 S looks like it was from another era because it was, having debuted in 1979. Strangely enough I agree somewhat about the original Audi V8 and the original LS400 - that agreement being that they were both rounder than the W126 S, though the Audi was no curve presentation either. However Audi being a nobody doesn't have anything to do with them being the one to usher in the Aero theme with their 5000 model. This had a lot of influence on a lot of cars including the original Ford Taurus. Going back to 1906 really doesn't make sense to me so you can have that one. Hell if we're going to go back that far then why not 1886? Really silly IMO, we're talking about modern day car styling. Don't know enough or care enough to get into a ridiculous arguement about semis and who copied who. M Replies to this message: brightness04 (Jan 12, 2006 6:32 pm) pat (Jan 12, 2006 6:40 pm) merc1 (Jan 13, 2006 2:03 am)
#13014 of 24700 Re: Autoextremist loves the new LS [tagman] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:29 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 11, 2006 4:02 pm) oac - when you say "dethrone", what exactly are you referring to? Yeah I'd like to know too. The only S-Class model the LS has "dethroned" has always been the entry-level model. I have never seen a S500 lose a fight to any LS model. Secondly the "S-Class" isn't just one car, it is a group of cars and to beat the S-Class you have to have something at the top to compete with the upper models, which is why Lexus is going for their faux "LS600h" to do battle at the upper end. When you look at the big picture the LS is hottest car in the segment (by sales) in the U.S, but worldwide the S-Class is still the segment leader by far, and if the S-Class isn't (as some say) then its the A8. M
#13016 of 24700 Re: Catching some ZZZZZZ's in the back of the LS460L [oac] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:37 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jan 11, 2006 8:50 pm) Why not just promote the heck out of the Bimmer 745/750 and S500/550 ? There is no need to bash Lexus to make anyone feel good... Good advice, now remember that next time you knock the S and predict the end of Mercedes-Benz. This is hilarious. The 2007 LS thread is nothing but a Mercedes this and Mercedes that thread. Lexusfans can't help but mention Mercedes whenever a new Lexus comes out. Go to the MB threads and see how much they mention Lexus, let alone knock Lexus like you Lexus guys knock Mercedes. That was good advice, but the source is just really interesting. I have never seen a group of car fans so pre-occupied with a competitor brand whenever their favorite brand introduces a car. M
#13017 of 24700 A Shift in Gears.......... by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (11:10 pm)
What are everyone's predictions for 2006 brandwise? What new products does everyone's fav brand have on the way (that we somewhat know about that is)? I'll start with the two most popular first. BMW - 300K+ units for 2006? The 3-Series continues its rollout and will save BMW's overall sales picture from the pending downturn in 7-Series sales. (a new S is in town). E-Class and 5-Series will duke it out again, but the 5 won't win in 2006 with a revised E on the way. New X5 due this fall, important in the sales race for them. M5 and M6 remain sold out for 2006. M6 cabrio on the way by the end of the year. Lexus - Likely to hit 350K sales in 2006 with all the new an relatively new product they have on tap. Yes all you Lexusfans your brand will sail to new sales heights for 2006 for sure. The LS, IS and GS will do this, but I see a big dropoff for their aging SUVs (minues the RX) and the SC430. Since there is a new Camry, I suspect a new ES"350" is due for spring? A GS350 and GS460 will be added late in the year. Mercedes-Benz - Will hit 250-260K or so this year on the back of the ML,S,CLS,E (E facelift by summer), GL. The R-Class (which I like for some reason), has seen a gradual increase in sales every month but I don't think it will ever be a "hit" in its current guise. C-Class will have a bad year due to its own age and the newer competition. New CL is due in the fall, but that isn't a volume seller per. Facelifted SL due by summer also. Audi - lots of new niche models coming for 2006 and a new SUV. The RS4, S8, S6, and Q7 to be exact. I don't see a major spike in sales for them, but the Q7 will be a hit (for them that is). The A6 will likely get the new FSI V8 and the new 280hp V6 from the Passat during 2006. Infiniti - will cool down somewhat in 2006 with the G35 aging the Q45 a non-starter. The next G isn't due until spring 2007 from what I've seen? The M will continue to gain new friends in 2006, but I see Infiniti sales being flat overall for 2006. Jaguar - New XK will be a hit of course, but it alone can't save the company. They'll likely end up selling less units in 2006 compared to 2005 overall because the XJ is falling, the S-Type has fallen the X-Type can't get up. Cadillac - Really impressed with the STS-V and XLR-V models, but the real news for them is the new Escalade. In in pics you can tell this is much better vehicle than before. The interior alone at least looks like it comes from someone other than GM. These will be hits for about the first few months but as summer comes and gas prices spike again (as we know they will do) they might face some sales hurdles. M Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jan 12, 2006 1:15 am) merc1 (Jan 12, 2006 1:23 am) lexusguy (Jan 12, 2006 5:56 am) designman (Jan 12, 2006 5:41 am) scott1256 (Jan 12, 2006 7:55 am) jrock65 (Jan 12, 2006 9:22 am)