High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#13004 of 24700 Re: Credit goes where credit is due [ljflx] by dewey Jan 11, 2006 (8:31 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 11, 2006 7:56 pm) It was Dewey who said MB and BMW would be in Jaguars shape if Lexus was really good. Is that what I said? I dont think so? Found in translation Your view was that the Lexus LS is not only cheaper but equal or better than German offerings. My view was that if a cheaper Lexus LS was really better than German offerings then the Germans would have serious problems like Jaguar.
#13005 of 24700 Re: Catching some ZZZZZZ's in the back of the LS460L [tagman] by oac Jan 11, 2006 (8:50 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 11, 2006 8:04 pm) Tagman: ".... get better ZZZZZZZ's in the back..." ... "LazyBoy recliner" ... "TemperPedic beds".... Were these same reclining feature not on an MB Maybach 57 or 62 ? But the LS460L can provide this for a whole lot less $$$, than a Maybach. I'd hope the S550 can try to match the LS460L in this area... Maybe I am missing something cos I forgot what all the noise is about ? What exactly is the point you German car fans are making about the new LS460 ? I have lost touch with what the beef about this car is ??? Why not just promote the heck out of the Bimmer 745/750 and S500/550 ? There is no need to bash Lexus to make anyone feel good... Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 11, 2006 8:51 pm) merc1 (Jan 11, 2006 10:37 pm)
#13006 of 24700 Re: Catching some ZZZZZZ's in the back of the LS460L [oac] by tagman Jan 11, 2006 (8:51 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jan 11, 2006 8:50 pm) oac, I was joking, not bashing. Really. RELAX! (It truly DOES look comfy) Heck, if we can add the DirecTV that ljflx was joking about, then we can watch Monday Night Football on ESPN next season in the back seat! C'mon now . . . lighten up.
#13007 of 24700 News Alert! New name for LS460L by tagman Jan 11, 2006 (9:02 pm)

#13008 of 24700 News Alert! New name for LS 460 L by tagman Jan 11, 2006 (9:05 pm)
Seems that the Lexus folks have decided to call the long wheelbase model the LS 460 L Vanden Plas . . . it comes with the Grey Poupon AND a little sushi, being from Japan. What do you think, oac?
#13009 of 24700 Re: Merc [callmedrfill] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:00 pm)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Jan 11, 2006 5:47 am) As far as Lexus cars looking alike, if you look at the cars, in profile, they definitely look much different from each other. The GS has a more rounded profile. The IS is full of particularly sharp styling cues, and is heavily starched, without becoming an Acura TL. The LS falls in between. So I'm not seeing it either, Merc. A crease here or there, but that's it. Oh I didn't think you would, though in the pics its obvious from the rear. I agree that the GS doesn't look the same from the side. Thank goodness the LS and IS don't have the humpback whale look of the GS - its awful looking from the sides. And the ML has obviously learned quite a bit from the original RX300. HA! Small problem, the ML came out BEFORE the original RX300 so this statment is just flat out false regarding styling. M
#13010 of 24700 Re: Certainly no mercedes vehicles look similar [idele] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:02 pm)
Replying to: idele (Jan 11, 2006 6:49 am) The previous S had a sleek tailored look that was very attractive. The new S seems to revert to the bulky style of the S preceding that one. First part of this is true - I agree. I passed a 2006 S500 Sport this morning in Pewter, absolutely gorgeous. However the new car doesn't look nearly as bulky in person as the 1992 Blitzen Benz S-Class. M Replies to this message: scott1256 (Jan 12, 2006 5:51 am)
#13011 of 24700 Re: merc1 [syswei] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:04 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Jan 11, 2006 6:57 am) But let's say you're right (for the sake of arguement, and I'd still like to hear an unbiased opinion for instance from designman), and the Camry is a clone. What makes it ok for the S to copy the Maybach butt, but not ok for the Camry to copy the LS butt? I guess it is acceptable when a German company does it, but not acceptable when a Japanese company does it? Yeah its more acceptable for Mercedes to take cues from Maybach because for one the Maybach was to be a "Mercedes" in the first place. Remember the original concept from the Tokyo autoshow in 1997? Secondly, the knock your fellow Lexus fans heaped on MB (and others) was that they made their cheap cars look like the least expensive ones. Well the S taking cues from the Maybach is the opposite. Big difference from that to a LS430 looking like a overfed Camry. Huge difference! M
#13012 of 24700 Re: From the NY Times [ljflx] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:09 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 11, 2006 7:59 am) Merc1 may not like the styling but everyone else does. Everyone? Try the NYT likes the styling. They in no way, shape of form speak for "everyone". Is this the same "source" that had a writer that said something ridiculous about liking a Maxima more than LS430? M
#13013 of 24700 Re: Copying, Gimmicks etc.... [brightness04] by merc1 Jan 11, 2006 (10:16 pm)
Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 11, 2006 10:21 am) Try look at 1989 LS400 and 1989 420SE side by side. The 420SE with its busy grill protruding like a tumor is positively ghastly and the rest of the car was replete with 80's boxy designs. Whereas the LS400, by the looks alone it can well be a car made today, with all its cleanly flowing lines. I already gave you that the original LS400 was a rounder car, but it doensn't look anything today to my eyes. Just a large Toyota. True the W126 S looks like it was from another era because it was, having debuted in 1979. Strangely enough I agree somewhat about the original Audi V8 and the original LS400 - that agreement being that they were both rounder than the W126 S, though the Audi was no curve presentation either. However Audi being a nobody doesn't have anything to do with them being the one to usher in the Aero theme with their 5000 model. This had a lot of influence on a lot of cars including the original Ford Taurus. Going back to 1906 really doesn't make sense to me so you can have that one. Hell if we're going to go back that far then why not 1886? Really silly IMO, we're talking about modern day car styling. Don't know enough or care enough to get into a ridiculous arguement about semis and who copied who. M Replies to this message: brightness04 (Jan 12, 2006 6:32 pm) pat (Jan 12, 2006 6:40 pm) merc1 (Jan 13, 2006 2:03 am)