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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#12955 of 24726 Re: Guaranteed? [tagman]
Jan 11, 2006 (12:20 pm)
Tagman - just looking at Jaguar from a business perspective. Toyota needs a gateway to Europe - Jaguar could be it.
The GX is a great ride and real quiet and luxurious, and it's a beauty in white with ash interior - but I can see areas for improvement. A tad longer and wider would solve its main problems. The new 2006 feels a lot tighter than the 2004 to me and it's a lot more of the solid Lexus build feel I'm so used to. It's also far more powerful and yet gets slightly better gas mileage in my experience so far. I had no issues or problems at all with my 2004 but it was rushed to market - IMO. I can definitely feel the stronger Lexus build quaity in the 2006 and thought it was just me but independently my wife said the same thing the other day.
BTW - I think the S will do fine and I see the segment growing in size.
#12956 of 24726 Re: Guaranteed? [ljflx]
Jan 11, 2006 (12:34 pm)
Toyota needs a gateway to Europe
???????????????? can you elaborate on this when you get a chance? I've got to go for now and I'll definately check back on this later. Thanks!
#12957 of 24726 Re: Missing Jaguar.... [tagman]
Jan 11, 2006 (12:43 pm)
I agree with you.
The XJ and XK are 'third way' cars in this group. They offer a distinct alternative to vehicles from Germany and Japan.
The current cars seem to be very reliable. Poor dependability is an albatross Jaguar carried for years.
I hope the XJ and new XK meet with a better reception in 2006.
#12958 of 24726 I have a Dream!
Jan 11, 2006 (1:02 pm)
If reality was not important and BMW was not a profit-maximizing corporation then I would love to see the following:
The BMW 7 series does stumble and will be discontinued! IMO the 7 series is an ostenatitious cruiser with sports pretensions. At least the Lexus LS and MB S is focused primarily on luxury cruising. The costs of maintaining the 7 series for 10 years would cause several reported "riches to rags stories".
BMW SUV sales takes a major hit and BMW withdraws from the SUV business. BMW SUVs are nothing more than a sell-out to appease the US market.
And last but not least I wish BMW would strictly focus on small to mid sized sports sedans since that is the segment they have perfected.(no need for them to relentlessly pursue perfection in this segment).
Ofcourse reality dictates the soon-to-be BMW minivans that will be called anything but minivans. Reality dictates more dumbed down technology for Bimmers. Reality dictates less BMWs with sticks. Reality dictates that future Bimmers become more luxurious at the cost of performance.
#12960 of 24726 Re: merc1 [syswei]
Jan 11, 2006 (1:08 pm)
Well, I don't see as much similarity between the 07 LS and 07 Camry as you do.
I agree. IMO the only aspects of the LS/Camry butts that are similar are the license nook, and there's a bumper cut/edge/shape that is similar too, but nothing worth dwelling on. However, I think the Camry design is clunky. In that realm the new Accord floats my boat a lot better and so does the Sonata.
I still haven't analyzed LF-Sh/LS differences. I'm too busy... so I'll leave y'all to your afternoon coffee klatch and crumpets... later...
#12961 of 24726 Re: The pleasure of technology [lexusi]
Jan 11, 2006 (1:09 pm)
The following is from an article about automotive technology:
After four hours of such testing, the volunteers and the test staff were surprised how dependent on modern technologies everyone had become, losing skills such as “braking cadence” once taught to drivers. “This test also showed how far car design has come,” said Graham Griffiths of the Ultimate Car Control, an advanced driver training school. "Modern cars not only have stability and traction control, they also have better tires, better suspension and overall dynamics. Technology has moved on and drivers have been left behind.”