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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#12904 of 24726 Re: Copying, Gimmicks etc.... [brightness04]
Jan 11, 2006 (2:41 am)
All of that about 1906 goes back a way bit before my time. Lexus' original LS400 was rounder than the German iron of the day for sure, but the overall presentation made you think "Mercedes". Sure the individual details were different, but the whole thing screamed Mercedes overall. Thats why Lexus got the copy rep from not only the press, but buyers alike. The 2001 LS430 only made it worse. Now that they've adopted a singular theme across their lineup the Mercedes look-a-like era has ended with this new LS. Now the diehard BMW fans may have something to say about it, but that isn't my debate.
It would be way more than a stretch to say that Audi/BMW/MB got anything from Lexus in the way of styling. Audi in particular went aero in the 80's and changed car design long before Lexus even came to market. Either way none of them ever looked liked a Lexus then or now.
#12905 of 24726 Re: Average driver doesn't always know better [oac]
Jan 11, 2006 (5:05 am)
BMW Assist is a great thing to have if you ever need it.
BMW has done a fabulous job in making sure people like me don't need it.
Its quality at this point going forward (not looking backward as CR does) is right up there with the best.
#12906 of 24726 Re: It's not a slam dunk for Lexus. [tagman]
Jan 11, 2006 (5:36 am)
Tagman - It's a guarantee the new car will be a smash succes and class leader in sales. The past gen cars have dominated that spot - often by wide margins - in 15 of the last 17 years. Saying it will succeed is like saying it'll be mild in summer.
Jan 11, 2006 (5:47 am)
As far as Lexus cars looking alike, if you look at the cars, in profile, they definitely look much different from each other. The GS has a more rounded profile. The IS is full of particularly sharp styling cues, and is heavily starched, without becoming an Acura TL. The LS falls in between. So I'm not seeing it either, Merc. A crease here or there, but that's it.
I like the GS the least (but it is acceptable), I like the IS the most, and the LS is great because it is a quantum leap from where it was, and it's competition has fallen off the table.
If anything, Mercedes is now cultivating a image of plagirism, with the S-Class taking on wheel humps, the Maybachs' rear end, the Accord's headlights, and the 7's dash.
And the ML has obviously learned quite a bit from the original RX300.
All I have to say about the Camry is it has many cues from the Corolla/Yaris/Avalon. It is not my cup of tea.
When the '92 Camry came out, yeah, that was obviously a descendant of the LS.
Those days are over. If you can find anything in the Camry exterior that says 2007 LS, good luck!
The Camry interior does shares a similar overall theme, though.
#12908 of 24726 Re: Certainly no mercedes vehicles look similar [merc1]
Jan 11, 2006 (6:49 am)
While in Paris last November I saw the S class at the MB showroom on the Champs-'Elys'ees. Also daily there were always a couple of them parked in front of the Ritz as I walked by. The previous S had a sleek tailored look that was very attractive. The new S seems to revert to the bulky style of the S preceding that one.
Jan 11, 2006 (6:57 am)
Well, I don't see as much similarity between the 07 LS and 07 Camry as you do.
But let's say you're right (for the sake of arguement, and I'd still like to hear an unbiased opinion for instance from designman), and the Camry is a clone. What makes it ok for the S to copy the Maybach butt, but not ok for the Camry to copy the LS butt?
I guess it is acceptable when a German company does it, but not acceptable when a Japanese company does it?
#12910 of 24726 hybrid switch
Jan 11, 2006 (7:12 am)
Jim Press, president of Toyota's U.S. sales unit, said the Japanese auto maker is studying a simple switch, or lever, that the driver can turn or pull to choose between two different settings for a hybrid powertrain: "green" or "power." WSJ source (subscribers)
#12912 of 24726 Re: Wheel arch trend.... [tagman]
Jan 11, 2006 (8:02 am)
If Lexus adds wheel arches to the LS when they facelift it, remember: Tagman predicted it.
It wouldn't surprise me - stranger things have happened!
#12913 of 24726 TWO DVD SYSTEMS IN LS460, HEY!!??
Jan 11, 2006 (8:26 am)
"Individual DVD monitors for rear-seat passengers"
well, will it have one headline monitor or individual monitors for each passagner as in the case of a first class airline?? thats wierd becoz Mr. Press said the same in the video "indiviual DVD systems"
this means it may have 2 dvds?? anyone think so?