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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#12888 of 24723 Re: Certainly no mercedes vehicles look similar [docnukem]
Jan 10, 2006 (10:43 pm)
Actually, I seem to recall that Merc1 said he liked the styling (of the 07 LS) but would have to see more. I also believed he said he didn't like the fender flaring on the 07 S. I've been wrong before, though.
Actually I don't have a problem with the 2007 LS overall. Sure it looks a little unbalanced in LS460 "L" size, but overall the car is a huge improvement over the previous barn on wheels. The problem with the Lexusfans is that they're not able to stay true to anything. One minute it is a big sin for MB and others to give their cars the same look, yet when Lexus does it you get the "sales" angle. Then you have the "a luxury car should look unique" theory that was passed around when the S-Class broke cover, yet they can't admit the LS460 has a lot similarity to the new Camry. Before when the SC430 and Solara comparo came up they got all quiet and couldn't say anything because the pics were so obvious, but now they're just dismissing the notion of the LS looking like a Camry. It seems to me that if I can admit that the S-Class' wheelarches are from numerous cars they should be able to admit the truth about the LS460. They can't because this is their most important car.
#12889 of 24723 Re: Certainly no mercedes vehicles look similar [ctsang]
Jan 10, 2006 (10:49 pm)
How come the MB R class looks almost the same as the Pacifica? This is one of the MB class I won't buy since I don't want people to think I own a Chrysler.
Not sure, maybe because they're so similar in concept. Not buying one is certainly your right. I didn't think you'd consider anything from Mercedes?
#12890 of 24723 Re: Average driver doesn't always know better [sv7887]
Jan 10, 2006 (10:53 pm)
MB and BMW's are filled with all sorts of useless gimmicks. Try Steer by Wire and Night Vision
I didn't know Mercedes had "Steer by Wire"! Thats news to me. Which model would that be?
#12891 of 24723 Re: LS unveiling press conference video [oac]
Jan 10, 2006 (11:15 pm)
MB/AMG, with all their prowress in engine refinement and tuning, could only muster 382HP out of a 5.5L powerplant. Lexus did that with a 4.6L motor. Advantage Lexus.
For the time being yeah, you're right advantage Lexus.
The new S550 has a 1500-song capacity disk. The new LS460 has 4,000-capacity song. Advantage Lexus
Whooptie do, guess that is a deal breaker. Pluhlease.
The new S550 tops out at 7000rpm, the new LS460 tops out at 8000rpm. Advantage Lexus.
Now if you can tell me what that advantage is I'll be truly impressed. You want a luxury car engine to rev to 8000 rpm? Please give us the technical details as to why this is an "advantage".
The new S550 has a 7-speed cog, the new LS460 has an 8-speed. Advantage Lexus
Yes, this is correct if the projected MPG numbers hold up in the real world. The problem I have here OAC is that when Mercedes upped the class with a 7-Speed all the Lexusfans did was say it was a meaningless innovation and was no advancement at all, yet the 7-speed has proven itself over and over, just like I'm sure Lexus' 8-speed will do.
Auto park in the LS460. None on the S550. Advantage Lexus
Advantage to who? Those who can't park a car? For people who love this type of thing I guess this will be a deal maker right?
Get the point.... And this is before release. Lexus is deliberately withholding info until March, a month before the S goes on sale, so that MB cannot scoop them, and so they can take the thunder out of the S release. What a juggernaut Lexus is going to be against the Germans.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. The S-Class goes on sale in Feb here in the U.S and has been on sale since Sept in Europe. If anyone waited to see what the other was going to do it was Lexus. They've had 5-6 months to study the S-Class and up it in areas like that hard drive and what not. Lexus is the one that waits to see what Mercedes is going to do. Not even you can deny that.
And 12 months later, MY2008, comes the LS600h with like 470hp/500Ibft, and a fuel economy of a V6. LWB, hybrid, AWD, the features list will be long indeed... Priced in the $90K range. What a car that will be...
All speculation unless you have the info on this?
#12892 of 24723 Re: Certainly no mercedes vehicles look similar [merc1]
Jan 10, 2006 (11:30 pm)
Merc1, you stated this:
"...Now I supposed since the LS,IS and GS all look alike, but done in different sizes...
Let's put these to test here:
Must be hard to differentiate these cars from each other, eh ? Well, what about the MB C/E/S ???? Wanna see how they look, compared to the Lexus family look ???
Jan 10, 2006 (11:48 pm)
how much will do you think a loaded ls460-l will cost?? i'm thinkin about getting that or the s450 in the spring but right now i think the lexus has the advantage value wise.
#12894 of 24723 It's not a slam dunk for Lexus.
Jan 10, 2006 (11:57 pm)
I remember the Lexus talk about the SC 430, and how it was the end of the Mercedes SL. But, what REALLY happened?
My point here is that the new LS is likely to succeed, but don't take so much for granted. The styling is very nice, but is it drop-dead gorgeous, and does it have staying power? Or will the similar and familiar Lexus look start to get boring over time?
As far as the S-Class goes, I have said from the beginning that the wheel well arches do not bother me, and, in fact, are looking better and better with time. They are going to be a distinctive look that may very well set a new styling trend in the industry. Lexus fans . . . do not be so over-confident. I agree the LS is poised for success, but I do NOT agree it will cause the undoing of the S-Class in ANY way. This new S-Class is going to be a hit, and I am on record as saying such.
You all know that I have expressed that I believe that Lexus has BMW in its crosshairs. I'm more concerned that the impact to the market made by the LS will be felt more by BMW this time around.
#12895 of 24723 MB Family Pictures
Jan 11, 2006 (12:03 am)
Leaves no doubt, does it ?
#12896 of 24723 Re: MB Family Pictures [oac]
Jan 11, 2006 (12:07 am)
Gorgeous, till the end of time . . . every blessed one of them (except the A).
#12897 of 24723 Re: anyone seee the Chrysler Imperial? [ljflx]
Jan 11, 2006 (12:19 am)
Just hearing the name Chrysler Imperial brings back an early childhood memory. One night (somewhere around 1960) my grandfather came over with his new Imperial. He took us for a ride over the bumpiest road in the area to demonstrate the "TorsionAire" (sp?) suspension system. Talk about floating on air!