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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Percentage leased... [ljflx] by scott1256
Jan 09, 2006 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 09, 2006 9:03 am)

I think it is more like 50-55% leased, not 75-85%.
 
IIRC Auto Week had an article stating 52% of BMWs were leased as of mid-2005.
 
Anyone have an accurate source for leasing data?
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GT-R by mariner7
Jan 09, 2006 (10:49 am)
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Latest CAR has an article on Nissan GT-R R34 Nismo. It made two interesting points.
 
1) It feels R34 was the fastest point-to-point car on the planet.
 
2) At its introduction in the late 80's, journalists driving R34 were lapping Nurburgring faster than professional drivers driving Porsche 928. CAR said the 928 drivers were shocked!
 
Automobile said R34 was the first production car to lap the Ring under 8 minutes. I think now the record is around 7 min. & 45 seconds, probably belonging to a Porsche of some sort. Nissan has said it doesn't care about sprint times and top speed for new GT-R, but does care very much about lap times on the world's most famous courses. I think GT-R R35 most probably will snatch the Ring record back.
 
As to Japan's other two supercars, Acura NSX & Lexus LF-A, with their fancy V10's, I bet they will be very fast, in a straight line!
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Another 07 LS Technology tidbit by garyh1
Jan 09, 2006 (11:10 am)
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CNBC is broadcasting from the Detroit auto show today. They interviewed Jim Press of Toyota USA, and just briefly mentioned was a reference to a feature of the new LS that will parallel park the car! I guess this is the next generation of the current model's "Parking Assist". I recall this being demonstrated years ago as a computer science project, but putting it into production ... WOW. Probably in a few years only we old fogies will be able to manually parallel park, just like our kids can't do math without a calculator.
 
Hmmm, Merc1, I wonder if any other manufacturers will be "copying" this in the future?
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Re: Another 07 LS Technology tidbit [garyh1] by dewey
Jan 09, 2006 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 09, 2006 11:10 am)

Hmmm, Merc1, I wonder if any other manufacturers will be "copying" this in the future?
 
Parking Assist? This sounds like dumbed down parking to me.
Is Lexus trying to cater to driving/parking challenged people? Is this what is called Lexus luxury?
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Re: Another 07 LS Technology tidbit [dewey] by syswei
Jan 09, 2006 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 09, 2006 11:35 am)

Parking Assist? This sounds like dumbed down parking to me.
 
Maybe so, but then aren't cruise controls and automatic tranmissions examples of "dumbing down" technology? Yet all of your beloved German brands offer those "dumbing down" features, don't they?
 
Like others here you seem to have an emotional need to criticize Lexus for whatever it does. If BMW had been the one to introduce an auto-park feature, you'd likely be hailing it as a great innovation.
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Re: Percentage leased... [scott1256] by dewey
Jan 09, 2006 (11:40 am)
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Replying to: scott1256 (Jan 09, 2006 10:40 am)

Anyone have an accurate source for leasing data?
 
Excellent point. 75 to 85% leased sounds like mere hearsay to me.
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Re: 2005 sales [brightness04] by dewey
Jan 09, 2006 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 09, 2006 7:11 am)

It's about as absurd as calling Maybach a $350k car when there is a $100k discount, and it's cross-shopped with a $170k Bentley by every would-be acquirer.
 
Brightness04,
 
just curious to know what the source of your data is?
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Re: A BMW 7 Series Xerox? [designman] by dewey
Jan 09, 2006 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: designman (Jan 09, 2006 9:31 am)

in my opinion the only thing they have in common is that they are both cars.
 
I read your past posts about how different the new LS looks compared to the 7 series. But the closer I look the more similarities I see.
 
Tagman and I must have "styling cue blindness"? But since that sympthom does not exist I highly doubt it?
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Re: Another 07 LS Technology tidbit [syswei] by dewey
Jan 09, 2006 (11:52 am)
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Replying to: syswei (Jan 09, 2006 11:39 am)

If BMW had been the one to introduce an auto-park feature, you'd likely be hailing it as a great innovation.
 
IMO using cruise control and having auto transmission in a BMW is Big Money Wasted. If BMW invented auto-park then BMW would not be a company focused on drivers. It would be a company I would avoid.
 
Am I anti-Lexus? Nope. I am just against any technology that removes driver input from the driving experience.
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Re: Another 07 LS Technology tidbit [dewey] by syswei
Jan 09, 2006 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 09, 2006 11:52 am)

IMO using cruise control and having auto transmission in a BMW is Big Money Wasted.
 
You need to get in tune with real-world 7-series buyers. How many 750s and 760s in this country do you think are sold without cruise controls and automatic transmissions? I believe the car can't be ordered any other way than with those features. So the answer would be ZERO.

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