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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#12724 of 24723 Re: 2005 sales [brightness04] by tagman

Jan 09, 2006 (10:58 am)

Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 09, 2006 9:16 am)
By the looks of the new LS, the new S-class is obsolete on arrival;
 
This is pathetic. No matter how good the LS might turn out to be in its own right, the new S-Class will deservedly be a successful vehicle for Mercedes, and you can bank on that.
 
Let's all be clear about this. The LS is going to sell well, but it is RIDICULOUS to spin it into something it is NOT.
 
Go to dewey's post 12721. That is the TRUE story that requires NO WORDS. The Bimmer was already a done deal. The "new" LS looks like a carbon copy by COINCIDENCE? What's "new" about this that should make the TRULY new S-Class obsolete? TOTAL BALONEY.
 
I have said this ALL DAY yesterday. . .
 
 Lexus designers are snipers with powerful scopes, and they have BMW in their crosshairs. You can quote me on this.
 
TagMan

#12725 of 24723 The Jaguar is the by scott1256

Jan 09, 2006 (11:04 am)

'third way' car among the German and Japanese models. It offers a unique cabin atmosphere and feel.
 
Sad to see this distinctive brand wither under PAG management. At 30,000 sales/year Jag is in life support territory.
 
The XJ is overpriced, IMO.

#12726 of 24723 Percentage leased... [ljflx] by scott1256

Jan 09, 2006 (11:40 am)

Replying to: ljflx (Jan 09, 2006 10:03 am)
I think it is more like 50-55% leased, not 75-85%.
 
IIRC Auto Week had an article stating 52% of BMWs were leased as of mid-2005.
 
Anyone have an accurate source for leasing data?

#12727 of 24723 GT-R by mariner7

Jan 09, 2006 (11:49 am)

Latest CAR has an article on Nissan GT-R R34 Nismo. It made two interesting points.
 
1) It feels R34 was the fastest point-to-point car on the planet.
 
2) At its introduction in the late 80's, journalists driving R34 were lapping Nurburgring faster than professional drivers driving Porsche 928. CAR said the 928 drivers were shocked!
 
Automobile said R34 was the first production car to lap the Ring under 8 minutes. I think now the record is around 7 min. & 45 seconds, probably belonging to a Porsche of some sort. Nissan has said it doesn't care about sprint times and top speed for new GT-R, but does care very much about lap times on the world's most famous courses. I think GT-R R35 most probably will snatch the Ring record back.
 
As to Japan's other two supercars, Acura NSX & Lexus LF-A, with their fancy V10's, I bet they will be very fast, in a straight line!

#12728 of 24723 Another 07 LS Technology tidbit by garyh1

Jan 09, 2006 (12:10 pm)

CNBC is broadcasting from the Detroit auto show today. They interviewed Jim Press of Toyota USA, and just briefly mentioned was a reference to a feature of the new LS that will parallel park the car! I guess this is the next generation of the current model's "Parking Assist". I recall this being demonstrated years ago as a computer science project, but putting it into production ... WOW. Probably in a few years only we old fogies will be able to manually parallel park, just like our kids can't do math without a calculator.
 
Hmmm, Merc1, I wonder if any other manufacturers will be "copying" this in the future?

#12729 of 24723 Re: Another 07 LS Technology tidbit [garyh1] by dewey

Jan 09, 2006 (12:35 pm)

Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 09, 2006 12:10 pm)
Hmmm, Merc1, I wonder if any other manufacturers will be "copying" this in the future?
 
Parking Assist? This sounds like dumbed down parking to me.
Is Lexus trying to cater to driving/parking challenged people? Is this what is called Lexus luxury?

#12730 of 24723 Re: Another 07 LS Technology tidbit [dewey] by syswei

Jan 09, 2006 (12:39 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Jan 09, 2006 12:35 pm)
Parking Assist? This sounds like dumbed down parking to me.
 
Maybe so, but then aren't cruise controls and automatic tranmissions examples of "dumbing down" technology? Yet all of your beloved German brands offer those "dumbing down" features, don't they?
 
Like others here you seem to have an emotional need to criticize Lexus for whatever it does. If BMW had been the one to introduce an auto-park feature, you'd likely be hailing it as a great innovation.

#12731 of 24723 Re: Percentage leased... [scott1256] by dewey

Jan 09, 2006 (12:40 pm)

Replying to: scott1256 (Jan 09, 2006 11:40 am)
Anyone have an accurate source for leasing data?
 
Excellent point. 75 to 85% leased sounds like mere hearsay to me.

#12732 of 24723 Re: 2005 sales [brightness04] by dewey

Jan 09, 2006 (12:42 pm)

Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 09, 2006 8:11 am)
It's about as absurd as calling Maybach a $350k car when there is a $100k discount, and it's cross-shopped with a $170k Bentley by every would-be acquirer.
 
Brightness04,
 
just curious to know what the source of your data is?

#12733 of 24723 Re: A BMW 7 Series Xerox? [designman] by dewey

Jan 09, 2006 (12:46 pm)

Replying to: designman (Jan 09, 2006 10:31 am)
in my opinion the only thing they have in common is that they are both cars.
 
I read your past posts about how different the new LS looks compared to the 7 series. But the closer I look the more similarities I see.
 
Tagman and I must have "styling cue blindness"? But since that sympthom does not exist I highly doubt it?

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