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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 09, 2006 8:16 am) I maintain that for LS/S/7/A8/XJ buyers saving $15-20,000 is a big consideration. Fewer cars in this price range are leased relative to entry level luxury cars.
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 09, 2006 7:52 am)
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Well it certainly doesnt appear that BMW considers Lexus as a serious competitior. Kudos for Infiniti for at least being noticed in Munich. From the today's Wall Street Journal: BMW spokesman Robert Mitchell says the German car maker sees more competition from Nissan Motor Co.'s Infiniti and Volkswagen AG's Audi, which have long offered sporty, youthful cars. "Lexus has their work cut out for itself if it's going to try to convince BMW owners to look at something else," Mr. Mitchell says. |
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Replying to: scott1256 (Jan 09, 2006 8:34 am) Couldn't possibly disagree with you more. I'd estimate that 75-85% are leased.
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Which one is the Lexus LS and which one is the BMW 7 series? You've got to be an auto enthusiast or someone with hawk-eyed vision in order to tell the difference. If Lexus believes that competing with BMW is merely a visual styling matter, then Lexus is bang on! Fortunately there is more to a BMW then its Bangle looks. 
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 09, 2006 1:36 am) On paper at least the LS460 makes the S450, 750, A8 and XJ all seem pointless, but the proof is in the driving and real world evaluations... There are core MB, BMW, Jag, Audi buyers regardless of what the other competition is doing. However, its the swing buyers that can really impact this sector's leadership. Seemed like we do agree tho' that the LS will likely retain its crown in the NA market. Now here's a question for you: Do you seriously believe that the reason the LS is the leader of this pack is bcos it is cheaper ? I seriously would question who is using your ID if anything from Lexus didn't win you over. Hmmmm..... The current Gen 3 LS430 didn't win me over, that's why I still own the Gen-2. Ditto the ES, RX, & SC. Only the '06 GS, '06 IS, LX, and marginally GX (only the swing rear gate is my issue with this truck) are my favorites in the Lexus lineup. Of course, the '07 LS is already a winner in my books. Lexus may NOT win styling, but it more than makes up for it in the total package of its product - pricing, features, and customer care. That is a sign of a great product. If the Germans understand that, they'd be more successful against Lexus, imo. This LS460 is a winner in this market. Packed with all of these features, with a drive that will be dream-like, I am expecting perfection, and I think they will deliver the ride and handling. The rims are 19", and the suspension will be there to handle all of that powertrain. I drove the IS350 non-sport, and the 330i SP, the latter drove marginally better, but I will need an apples-to-apples drive before I can give the crown to the Bimmer. However, the '06 GS300 I drove didn't do it for me. Smooth yes, driveable, no. But the GS350/460 are only a year away, so maybe they'll re-tune these cars for better performance and handling, and maybe a kill switch for VDIM.
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 09, 2006 9:03 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 09, 2006 8:16 am) This is pathetic. No matter how good the LS might turn out to be in its own right, the new S-Class will deservedly be a successful vehicle for Mercedes, and you can bank on that. Let's all be clear about this. The LS is going to sell well, but it is RIDICULOUS to spin it into something it is NOT. Go to dewey's post 12721. That is the TRUE story that requires NO WORDS. The Bimmer was already a done deal. The "new" LS looks like a carbon copy by COINCIDENCE? What's "new" about this that should make the TRULY new S-Class obsolete? TOTAL BALONEY. I have said this ALL DAY yesterday. . . Lexus designers are snipers with powerful scopes, and they have BMW in their crosshairs. You can quote me on this. TagMan |
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'third way' car among the German and Japanese models. It offers a unique cabin atmosphere and feel. Sad to see this distinctive brand wither under PAG management. At 30,000 sales/year Jag is in life support territory. The XJ is overpriced, IMO.
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