High End Luxury Cars

24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#12706 of 24699 Re: LS460 [syswei] by merc1 Jan 09, 2006 (7:14 am)
Replying to: syswei (Jan 09, 2006 5:52 am) ". As a hopefully open-minded (Lexus-leaning but not Lexus-rabid) person, I'm not automatically going to assume the LS460 is the greatest thing ever. I must give you credit, very smart you are. My teeth were drawn and I now have no where to bite! Just for that I'll try my best to wring some details out of a Lexus person if they're around next weekend. One thing I like about GM and Ford they have actual engineers on the floor at time, not salespeople or company "reps", but honest to goodness white-coat wearing engineers. M
#12707 of 24699 Re: LS pricing [scott1256] by merc1 Jan 09, 2006 (7:16 am)
Replying to: scott1256 (Jan 09, 2006 7:02 am) I too believe the $15-20,000 price advantage draws a lot of buyers to Lexus. Please don't mention anything factual like that because all you'll get is a bunch of garble about leases. Don't you know that buyers who finance and/or pay with cash don't exist anymore? M
#12709 of 24699 Okay, folks, you need to listen this time by pat HOST Jan 09, 2006 (7:46 am)
Some of you need to understand that posts which have no other purpose than to beat someone else over the head are pointless, do not get your message across to anyone, and further, are not appropriate and will not be acceptable going forward. If you cannot discuss the ins and outs, ups and downs, plusses and minuses of the cars and the marques without stomping all over someone else, you need to not post at all. Chill out and get back to the productive and interesting discussion that you are all capable of and all deserve, please.
#12710 of 24699 Re: 2005 sales [brightness04] by merc1 Jan 09, 2006 (7:52 am)
Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 09, 2006 7:11 am) I see, still spinning with that MSRP nonsense. Earth to Mitsubishi1, MSRP has little bearing on true acquisition cost for Mercedes nowadays with all the discount going on. It's about as absurd as calling Maybach a $350k car when there is a $100k discount, and it's cross-shopped with a $170k Bentley by every would-be acquirer. MSRP is only relevent to the scribe who has no snow ball's chance in frozen you-know-where actually acquiring the car; anyone who actually spends that kind of money is quite good at maximiizing their money's worth A new S-Class isn't going to sell with a discount and even if it did it isn't going to sell at a discount big enough to put in the same price range as a Lexus LS. For the record I'm talking about the 2007 model not the out-going 6 year old 2006 model. The Maybach isn't meeting its sales targets and is a new segment and brand for that matter so a dealer advertising such a discount on a car is to be expected. The S-Class is a proven product. You aren't going to see any such large discounts (if any at all for the first year at least) on the brand new S-Class. Period. M Replies to this message: brightness04 (Jan 09, 2006 8:16 am) scott1256 (Jan 09, 2006 8:34 am) ljflx (Jan 09, 2006 9:03 am) and 19 more... tagman (Jan 09, 2006 9:58 am) merc1 (Jan 09, 2006 9:42 pm) ljflx (Jan 09, 2006 8:51 am) merc1 (Jan 09, 2006 9:44 pm)
#12712 of 24699 And now a housekeeping item by pat HOST Jan 09, 2006 (8:01 am)
I have had to remove a couple of posts with very wide pictures in them and have emailed the posters a version of what I'm about to post here. It's something you all need to know, so I'm saying it to everyone. I need to ask you not to post pictures that are wider than about 500 pixels. A picture too wide pushes the text out under the right sidebar making the first few messages on the page impossible to read. Very wide pictures can make the page have to be scrolled from left to right for folks to read every single line on the page that the picture appears. You need to either edit the pictures to the correct width (as I mentioned, no more than 500 pixels) or just post a link to the pictures instead of actually displaying them. Also, when you do post links, depending on their length, they can mess up the display in the same manner. To keep that from happening, you should use the URL button under the post box. For that, all you have do is click the button, paste in the URL, type a name for your link over the words "link title" and click the button again. If you have questions about any of this, just drop me an email. Thanks for your cooperation.
#12715 of 24699 Re: 2005 sales [merc1] by brightness04 Jan 09, 2006 (8:16 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 09, 2006 7:52 am) A new S-Class isn't going to sell with a discount and even if it did it isn't going to sell at a discount big enough to put in the same price range as a Lexus LS. For the record I'm talking about the 2007 model not the out-going 6 year old 2006 model. 1. By the looks of the new LS, the new S-class is obsolete on arrival; 2. We do not even know how much the new LS will cost, so there is no basis to your claim regarding whether they will sell in the same price range at all. IMHO, those who think new LS will have an MSRP under $60k are dreaming, unfortunately (as much as I would like to share that dream myself). Replies to this message: scott1256 (Jan 09, 2006 8:34 am) ljflx (Jan 09, 2006 9:03 am) scott1256 (Jan 09, 2006 10:40 am) and 18 more... tagman (Jan 09, 2006 9:58 am) merc1 (Jan 09, 2006 9:42 pm)