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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#12695 of 24726 Re: 2005 sales [merc1]
Jan 09, 2006 (4:33 am)
True, [the Germans] mised the SUV party for sure. Actually Mercedes was first to offer one, but the design wasn't what the market wanted.
Take those MB-colored glasses off!
The LX pre-dated the ML by something like 2 years.
Anyway the Range Rover was first. The LX oursold the Range Rover within 2 months of introduction and never looked back. Let's see if the GL can manage a like feat vs the LX.
#12696 of 24726 Re: 2005 sales [syswei]
Jan 09, 2006 (4:41 am)
Wrong. Maybe I should have been clearer, the ML was the first mid-size mainstream suv from a luxury brand. The LX was nothing more than tarted up (full size) Toyota Land Crusier and the RR was not priced anywhere near the mainstream suv category. The RR was likely the first SUV to make them appeal to high-end buyers. It was either the RR of the original Grand Wagoneer from Jeep. There were plenty larger SUVS before the LX too.
I doubt the GL will outsell the Range Rover. It doesn't have the interior IMO.
Jan 09, 2006 (4:57 am)
Merc you’re right, it did lose something from the concept. And in the shots you posted it doesn’t look as lustrous as in the Lexus site. It now seems to complete the IS GS sausage link. Something happened to that front end. I guess I'll pull out the concept shots and look into it in more detail some other time.
#12698 of 24726 Re: Hmm [designman]
Jan 09, 2006 (5:01 am)
I've been looking at pics of the LS from sites all over the web and it does seem to look better in some pics than others, but overall it didn't keep the promise of the concept IMO. I remain impressed with the technical details though. The way they incorporated the direct-injection system from the IS350's V6 into the 4.6L V8 is most impressive. I suspect this is the deciding factor for the projected MPG numbers.
#12699 of 24726 Re: LS460 [merc1]
Jan 09, 2006 (5:52 am)
Come on you Lexus guys this your baby in the flesh! Where is the enthusiasm?
I think I said this before when the LF-Sh appeared...speaking for myself only, I think the exterior styling is an improvement over the current car, but I'm not sure I prefer it to the 2006 S. Need to see both in person.
The engine stats and mpg are very impressive so I guess I'm enthusiastic about those, but any hp number that starts with a 3 is more than enough so it isn't that big a deal to me.
They still haven't provided that much detail on some aspects of the car, plus I would need to see it and test drive it before becoming more "enthusiastic". As a hopefully open-minded (Lexus-leaning but not Lexus-rabid) person, I'm not automatically going to assume the LS460 is the greatest thing ever.
#12700 of 24726 Re: Hmm [merc1]
Jan 09, 2006 (6:24 am)
I'm not all that impressed with the LS460. Lexus PR would have you believe this was the second coming of 1989...It is a nice car, but hardly on par with the original LS400. The original has a flair that this car doesn't. To this day I still get compliments about my 92 LS400..This car is rather conservately styled. The new S Class at least makes a statement. I do find the interior styling of the LS460 of standard Lexus fare. (It was already quite good to begin with) Any AWD option? I haven't read anything about that yet..
However, all that technology is pretty cool. But I'll definitely shop the S Class against it when I trade mine in late next year.
#12701 of 24726 Re: Hmm [sv7887]
Jan 09, 2006 (6:51 am)
There is no mention of AWD yet. I imagine the hybrid will be awd, but it is not at all clear if the ICE versions will have an awd option.
#12702 of 24726 Re: 2005 sales [merc1], lexus LS460 vs phantom vs Maybach [samstayton]
Jan 09, 2006 (6:51 am)
In my opinion, looking at the LS460L, rolls royce phantom and maybach better be prepared as the LS has all what they have and even more. In a direct comparison LS will handily beat phantom and maybach be it refinement, luxury, technology, craftsmanship, quiteness etc.
Calling all potential Maybach and Rolls Buyers! Dont buy a Maybach or RR. Wait a bit longer for the best car on earth called the new Lexus LS and save your money for a box of vintage 1936 Burgundy wine that is renowned for its poignant berry aroma and its subtle sour apple aftertaste.
Whoever said posts had to factual?
#12703 of 24726 LS pricing [merc1]
Jan 09, 2006 (7:02 am)
I too believe the $15-20,000 price advantage draws a lot of buyers to Lexus.
MB/BMW/Audi/Jaguar have individuality and a better driving experience. However, the value equation is clearly tilted in favor of the LS.
The LWB version of the LS will boost sales. At last the LS will offer comfortable back seat room for passengers that are 6' plus.
Jan 09, 2006 (7:11 am)
I see, still spinning with that MSRP nonsense. Earth to Mitsubishi1, MSRP has little bearing on true acquisition cost for Mercedes nowadays with all the discount going on. It's about as absurd as calling Maybach a $350k car when there is a $100k discount, and it's cross-shopped with a $170k Bentley by every would-be acquirer. MSRP is only relevent to the scribe who has no snow ball's chance in frozen you-know-where actually acquiring the car; anyone who actually spends that kind of money is quite good at maximiizing their money's worth.