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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 08, 2006 11:41 pm) All this BS about "core competence", "Lexus ran out of staff" (!) and lumping sales of completely different vehicles are definitiely signs of sore losers who can't accpet the fact that Lexus hasn't hit a home run everytime out the gate. Nothing more than grand excuse making at its very, ill-concieved best. The part about Lexus running out of staff is the most ridiculous thing I have read on here since reading how the S600/760Li aren't luxury cars. BS, copycat, ultimate follower, spin, hype, sore losers, blah blah.... Geez.. Is this your idea of a debate ? Just when we expect you to come back with some real good story about the show, all you do is drag the quality of this forum down with rhetorics. Its 2006, and we all gotta turn a new leaf... Tone down rhetorics and put downs. Doesn't advance the debate. Have I said this before or what ??? Oh, wrt the new LS460, so far I have stayed on the sidelines reading everything before commenting. I wanted to read many opinions and see lots of pictures. Appears that overall, MORE people like it than not. That is good. Me, I got my check in hand now. My search for a replacement for my '99 LS is over already. The newly styled LS460 SWB with its 380bhp, mid-20 mpg, 8-speed tranny, auto park, smart card, 7.1 DTS 19-speaker ML, 8GB of HD space for 4000 songs, etc.. etc... has me won over. Another car that should give the Germans fits... And the class redefined all over again. Especially, if the $3K lift of base price over 2006 LS430 rumor turns out to be true. Can the 335hp S450 touch the LS460 ? I don't think so. Can the 382 S550 touch the LS460 ? Yup. But it will be a battle indeed. The LS will continue to outsell the S-class again, only this time, the sales gap will grow even larger. My prediction... What's yours ?
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Replying to: oac (Jan 09, 2006 1:10 am) Uh...saying that Lexus ran out of staff and couldn't update one of their cars is BS, plain and simple. Sorry if you can't accept the truth. No this isn't my idea of a debate. In a reasonable debate people bring facts to the table, not wild speculation about car companies running out of staff and excuses about "core competence". Lastly, why don't you real ALL the posts on the thread and see where "sore loser" came from. Wasn't me. You seem to have nicely ignored the facts, as usual. Guy, read all the posts before telling me to do anything. M |
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Replying to: oac (Jan 09, 2006 1:10 am)
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Replying to: oac (Jan 09, 2006 1:10 am) Oh I'll give you the car is very impressive, moreso the technology than the sytling. The interior looks more or less like a GS or IS with more buttons. The exterior lost something from the original concept IMO. The LS460L in particular looks unbalanced to me. Yes the LS will continue to outsell the S-Class I'm sure, but of course a 3K price increase will still put the LS460 under 60K, while a S450 will cost at least 78K. But according to you this won't make a difference so why even bring up sales? A cheaper car in this segment is going to sell more, common sense to me. On paper at least the LS460 makes the S450, 750, A8 and XJ all seem pointless, but the proof is in the driving and real world evaluations. I don't really see anything unique besides the 8-speed tranny when the LS is compared to the S-Class. The new S-Class has a new fancy sound system of its own along with a PCMCIA card slot for storing songs, 1500 song capacity I believe. Unless the driving experience is better than the LS430, the LS460 will only win over those already sworn to Lexus, IMO. The styling is already a let down IMO. BTW, the Audi A/S8's new B&O sound system might end being better than either MB or Lexus. I seriously would question who is using your ID if anything from Lexus didn't win you over. M
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 09, 2006 1:34 am) Yeah that is pretty embarrasing, ah but this time around you can't include the S-Class because it uses a hard drive too! M |
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 08, 2006 9:26 pm) Take those MB-colored glasses off!  The LX pre-dated the ML by something like 2 years. Anyway the Range Rover was first. The LX oursold the Range Rover within 2 months of introduction and never looked back. Let's see if the GL can manage a like feat vs the LX.
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Replying to: syswei (Jan 09, 2006 4:33 am) I doubt the GL will outsell the Range Rover. It doesn't have the interior IMO. M |
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Merc you’re right, it did lose something from the concept. And in the shots you posted it doesn’t look as lustrous as in the Lexus site. It now seems to complete the IS GS sausage link. Something happened to that front end. I guess I'll pull out the concept shots and look into it in more detail some other time.
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Replying to: designman (Jan 09, 2006 4:57 am) M
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Come on you Lexus guys this your baby in the flesh! Where is the enthusiasm? I think I said this before when the LF-Sh appeared...speaking for myself only, I think the exterior styling is an improvement over the current car, but I'm not sure I prefer it to the 2006 S. Need to see both in person. The engine stats and mpg are very impressive so I guess I'm enthusiastic about those, but any hp number that starts with a 3 is more than enough so it isn't that big a deal to me. They still haven't provided that much detail on some aspects of the car, plus I would need to see it and test drive it before becoming more "enthusiastic". As a hopefully open-minded (Lexus-leaning but not Lexus-rabid) person, I'm not automatically going to assume the LS460 is the greatest thing ever.
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