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24685 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2009 at 4:40 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: oac (Jan 08, 2006 1:05 am) No, actually I was replying to a previous post. Secondly, all your off-base assumptions and continued peadaling of hype about MB won't stop them from turning things around either. Remember that next time you post a story about some piece of MB tech not working, without having read the whole article first. Talking of copying, I wonder how many German auto companies would love to have the TPS in their factories, eh ???? Maybe no one thinks the TPS is such a great system, eh ??? Who would have thunk it that Lexus could make such quality cars ? No one is copying Lexus' customer service, build quality, reliable automobiles, seamless integration of electronics, 8-speed tranny, hybrid synergy system, TPS, etc. Totally unimportant in the car business, eh ? Alrighty.... let's move on... See here is where you make no sense to me. We were talking about copying and yet you bring up what other makes would like to have in their factories. Don't you think that by now anyone who wanted to use TPS would have approached Toyota by now, either publically or behind the scenes? Sure Toyota is the best there is at lean, quality production. You'd better hope they don't get arrogant like GM and wind up exposing their rear flank to the Koreans and Chinese. Since you implied something about Lexus' 8-speed tranny like someone is already coping it? I'd really like to know who is, since you seem to imply that someone is. WHO? Total ridiculousness to sit there and say that others are copying Lexus' build quality and reliability when these are things that every car built in the world today strives to achieve. Toyota didn't event these things, they've only perfected it in the modern era, and Audi ain't trying to copy squat from Toyota in the way of build quality either. One look at one and you'll see why if don't have Lexus blinders on. M |
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 8:07 pm) |
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 8:35 am) I don't see how you could think that Lexus isn't chasing anyone. They are clearly chasing BMW from top to bottom with designs to match. Clearly they're trying to be sportier now. You don't see BMW, Mercedes and Audi chasing Lexus by mentioning them in every press release or trying to make their cars more like a Lexus. Now its all a marketing spin when just 8-12 months ago everything Danny Clemets said was literally taken as gospel by every Lexus fan on this board including yourself. The entire luxury car world was to be crushed according to you and Oac. Lexus is the biggest follower in the luxury car market. One minute (well actually 14+ years) it was Mercedes, now its BMW. Sure they've come to represent certain things like reliability, quality and quietness on their own, but they still have Germancar envy big time, now its BMW. The IS350 is a direct wannabe 3-Series, as was supposed to be the GS. Now some are saying the new LS460 (stunning technology BTW) looks like BMW work also, not sure about that yet. M |
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jan 08, 2006 8:36 pm) |
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Replying to: designman (Jan 08, 2006 10:31 am) No it came to me mid-post.  You're correct as can be about the IS350 and its hp end-run attempt at a 3-Series, but without a proper stick. No dice. Yet Lexus isnt following anyone? Sheer denial. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 08, 2006 9:36 pm) Very convincing argument . . . not! The simple facts remains that those cars were failures until new versions arrived during 2005. So are you done or not done?? You are rebutting your first paragraph with your second paragraph in the same post now? Previous generation IS and GS did very well in their first years, far more than 14k units sold for each of them. The European brands all have their own heritage and brand identity in spades, enough not to go chasing and building blank copy of each other's cars, thats why. Didn't you say Jaguar and others were trying to make copies and competitions to CLS?? How many times do you intend on debunking yourself in a single post? Europeans copy each other's designs and marketting approaches all the time. Do you think both MB and BMW got "louder" in their designs since the late 90's, deviating from their conservative roots one after another by accident? expanding into smaller and less expensive cars by accident? AMG vs. M vs. S by accident? Come on, get real! They do not copy Lexus for a very simple reason: they can not out-do Lexus in its own game. The way it's going, frankly, LS may compete against the likes of Maybach, Bentley and Rolls-Royce in the next generation or so . . . something that I predicted half a decade ago! Besides what European or even American luxury car make (besides maybe Lincolin) is going to purposely set out to build an ugly, poor handling land yacht . . . Maybach, Bentley and Rolls-Royce. None of them are great handling machines. Handling matters when one is buying a $15k Eclipse, but not when one is getting a high end luxury car to be driven by a chauffer. The owner would rather be in a yacht or a private jet if not for the necessity for wheels.
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 08, 2006 10:07 pm) So now Lexus not following BMW example of offering a stick is used as evidence of following?? Great logic indeed.
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Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 08, 2006 10:22 pm) No, the 306hp, stiff ride and smallish interior are. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 08, 2006 10:23 pm) Say what?? What non-M standard BMW 3 series has 300+ horsepower? Isn't every car company in the business of packing more horsepowers? Since like, the days of horse-drawn carriages! Do Germans have a patent on using more than one horse to draw carriage on Roman roads too?? does BMW have patent on stiff ride and small interior too?? The last time I checked, BMW 3 series is getting bigger in size and getting softer in ride quality. In fact, IS300 was a lot harder riding than E46 and E90.
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