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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 5:37 pm) I do see Lexus cracking 40k cars, maybe even 45K cars with this new car but I also think the whole segment will have increased car sales. Both the new S and new LS will generate a lot of enthusiasm and the LS hybrid will notch it up higher still. Long-term - this will be very difficult for Audi and Jaguar to stay in (in the US) and they'll have to treat it as loss leaders. The guys with deep pockets have both the cash and the category killer cars. |
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 5:37 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 4:13 pm) Oh, I don’t know about that. I think of the S-type as either an Idaho potato or a front-loading washing machine.
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Replying to: designman (Jan 08, 2006 6:33 pm) CLS is quite good, IMO, but I'll admit that I've posted on other forums (not Edmunds) that the tail is the problem I have with it. Still, it's a winner, but not my favorite. |
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 5:57 pm) 
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 7:44 pm) OK - back to cars and Goodnight for now. |
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Well, gentlemen, start your engines. This is clearly going to be an exciting year to chart the sales of the new Mercedes S and the Lexus LS. Personally, I'm looking forward to test driving both of them as they become available to do so. I'm guessing that the driving experience has seldom been better, and we are about to be treated to new levels of driving euphoria. The entire auto industry is about to be ignited overall, as BusinessWeek points out the very number of vehicles to choose from will reach 330 in less than two years. New models and technologies are coming fast. Vehicles will come from China soon. The playing field is going to change dramatically. I am still concerned about the "clone" appearance of many of the Toyota/Lexus/Scion vehicles. So many of them, EVEN THE NEW LS, have a similar shape . . . just different sizes and options. It's a self-diluting approach that will require a "freshening" before too long, because the overuse of the same look will get long in the tooth quickly in my opinion. I think it could be a bit dangerous in the long run. Take a look at BusinessWeek, page 54, for those of you that subscribe, and see the picture of the Scion tc coupe. As I look at this, there IS NO DOUBT that it is a member of the Toyota/Lexus/Scion family of vehicles, as it SHARES the SAME shape that I am referring to. I find it interesting to see that a Scion shares some of the design lines with the LS. I guess crazier things can happen. Anyway, it's going to be fun. TagMan
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I've spent some time over the last couple of months in Montreal and found it interesting to take a look at what they drive. Despite the cosmopolitan nature of Montreal, one sees very few high end cars. There are certainly some Volvos, Audis, etc. but almost no S Classes, 7 Series, or similar. At the intersection of Saint Catharine Street and Crescent Street at midnight last night (the ground zero for Montreal night life) there was one lone E Class in a sea of Japanese sedans. Despite the northern climate and hilly terrain, one sees very few AWD cross overs and certainly almost no large SUVs. Full size pickup trucks are not the commuter vehicle of choice for blue collar workers. Even in the rural areas surrounding Montreal (e.g. Iberville), pick up trucks are rare. Some of the difference between what we drive and what they drive can be attributed to their lower wages, higher taxes, and higher fuel costs. But the rest of the difference in ownership patterns must be cultural. Even in the high end Westmount section you just don't see S Classes. The Bentley dealer doesn't even have a new Arnage or Continental GT in stock! I think that the more modest Canadians are not as interested in large, expensive sedans and SUVs as we are.
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jan 08, 2006 8:36 pm) Not here in Toronto that is known by other Canadians as Hogtown. Some of the difference between what we drive and what they drive can be attributed to their lower wages, higher taxes, and higher fuel costs. In fact Quebec has below average wages and higher taxes and fuel costs relative to the Canadian average figures. |
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 07, 2006 9:27 pm) True, they mised the SUV party for sure. Actually Mercedes was first to offer one, but the design wasn't what the market wanted. True, but this wasn't in debate. M
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