High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#12652 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [ljflx] by dewey Jan 08, 2006 (4:44 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 4:30 pm) disagree with your statement on smaller size being key. If BMW driving dynamics were what I was looking for and my needs were a large family sedan than the 7 would be the car and the class leader of BMW in my eyes. It's definitely not what you are looking for and I pray that the BMW 7 series does not ever resemble the driving dynamics that you seek in a Lexus. I dont mean that in any negative way whatsoevr. I am just trying to say that it would be tragic if Lexuses began to drive like BMWs and BMWs began to drive like Lexuses because if that was the case then many customers of both these marques would feel alienated. You know that is substantiating a statement made yesterday - that being the 3 is not truly a luxury car. Absolutely right. The 3, especially the M series is the ultimate driving machine and not a ultimate luxury machine. Anyone believing otherwise are deceiving themselves.
#12653 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [tagman] by ljflx Jan 08, 2006 (4:46 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 4:35 pm) Don't know why people think a new model will or has to put others out of business. That is way over the top and inconceivable. The American market has 3 key/dominant players in the large high-end lux sedan segment and it will be that way for the forseeable future. I think the new LS and the new S will cut Audi back to a 1500-2000 a year car though. Great cars can lift the entire segment up and that's what we want. The competition holds in price points and the consumer wins. We don't want a one car segment here. Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 5:37 pm) ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 5:53 pm) ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 5:57 pm) tagman (Jan 08, 2006 7:44 pm) and 1 more...
#12654 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [ljflx] by tagman Jan 08, 2006 (5:37 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 4:46 pm) ljflx, Which post are you actually replying to here? It shows mine, but your comments are referring to another I believe. You must have enjoyed the "spirits" a bit while watching the games! Understandable. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 5:53 pm) ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 5:57 pm) tagman (Jan 08, 2006 7:44 pm) ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 8:04 pm)
#12655 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [tagman] by ljflx Jan 08, 2006 (5:53 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 5:37 pm) The euphoria posts on the 2007 LS board. No need to say anyone with solid sales is heading for the coffin. I do see Lexus cracking 40k cars, maybe even 45K cars with this new car but I also think the whole segment will have increased car sales. Both the new S and new LS will generate a lot of enthusiasm and the LS hybrid will notch it up higher still. Long-term - this will be very difficult for Audi and Jaguar to stay in (in the US) and they'll have to treat it as loss leaders. The guys with deep pockets have both the cash and the category killer cars.
#12656 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [tagman] by ljflx Jan 08, 2006 (5:57 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 5:37 pm) Tagman - re the games - I'm still digesting an incredible stat I read earlier today. That being that the Steelers have had two coaches - hence one coaching change - in 37 years. Talk about stability. Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 7:44 pm) ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 8:04 pm)
#12657 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [tagman] by designman Jan 08, 2006 (6:33 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 4:13 pm) You stand corrected. As much as I love the XJ Jaguar, I do not have the same feeling for the S-Type. Sorry, but the S-Type was the earlier banana. Oh, I don’t know about that. I think of the S-type as either an Idaho potato or a front-loading washing machine. Replies to this message: tagman (Dec 13, 2005 7:15 pm)
#12658 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [designman] by tagman Jan 08, 2006 (7:39 pm)
Replying to: designman (Jan 08, 2006 6:33 pm) pick your fruit. . .er . . . or appliance. CLS is quite good, IMO, but I'll admit that I've posted on other forums (not Edmunds) that the tail is the problem I have with it. Still, it's a winner, but not my favorite.
#12659 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [ljflx] by tagman Jan 08, 2006 (7:44 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 5:57 pm) The era of Chuck Noll and the Steel curtain were great days to remember. Replies to this message: ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 8:04 pm)
#12660 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [tagman] by ljflx Jan 08, 2006 (8:04 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 08, 2006 7:44 pm) Most people talk of Bradshaw, Swan, mean Joe and the great steel curtain, Lambert and the great linebackers and of course Franco and Rocky. But a great player often overlooked was John Stalworth. He made some of the greatest catches I've ever seen including two brilliant long ones in the Super bowl vs. the Cowboys. The late 70's, early 80's Steelers are still my favorite all-time team. OK - back to cars and Goodnight for now.
#12661 of 24700 The Battle Begins by tagman Jan 08, 2006 (8:07 pm)
Well, gentlemen, start your engines. This is clearly going to be an exciting year to chart the sales of the new Mercedes S and the Lexus LS. Personally, I'm looking forward to test driving both of them as they become available to do so. I'm guessing that the driving experience has seldom been better, and we are about to be treated to new levels of driving euphoria. The entire auto industry is about to be ignited overall, as BusinessWeek points out the very number of vehicles to choose from will reach 330 in less than two years. New models and technologies are coming fast. Vehicles will come from China soon. The playing field is going to change dramatically. I am still concerned about the "clone" appearance of many of the Toyota/Lexus/Scion vehicles. So many of them, EVEN THE NEW LS, have a similar shape . . . just different sizes and options. It's a self-diluting approach that will require a "freshening" before too long, because the overuse of the same look will get long in the tooth quickly in my opinion. I think it could be a bit dangerous in the long run. Take a look at BusinessWeek, page 54, for those of you that subscribe, and see the picture of the Scion tc coupe. As I look at this, there IS NO DOUBT that it is a member of the Toyota/Lexus/Scion family of vehicles, as it SHARES the SAME shape that I am referring to. I find it interesting to see that a Scion shares some of the design lines with the LS. I guess crazier things can happen. Anyway, it's going to be fun. TagMan Replies to this message: brightness04 (Jan 08, 2006 9:58 pm)