High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#12637 of 24700 Re: rather impressive imho [dewey] by syswei Jan 08, 2006 (2:54 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Jan 08, 2006 2:35 pm) Unfortunately superior specs does not neccessarily guarantee superior road tests. True enough, though remember that at this level we are not talking about sports sedans. Even if the new LS drives exactly like the old one, it will be just fine for many potential buyers (...and judging from recent sales numbers, more potential buyers than the "better driving" 7-series). Not everyone in the HEL sedan market wants a BMW ride. Replies to this message: dewey (Jan 08, 2006 2:59 pm)
#12638 of 24700 Re: rather impressive imho [syswei] by dewey Jan 08, 2006 (2:59 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Jan 08, 2006 2:54 pm) Even if the new LS drives exactly like the old one, it will be just fine for many potential buyers (...and judging from recent sales numbers, more potential buyers than the "better driving" 7-series). Not everyone in the HEL sedan market wants a BMW ride. I agree. Most people who want a better driving BMW will choose one of the 7 series smaller siblings(3 or 5 series, preferably a M3 or M5)
#12639 of 24700 LS460 video by syswei Jan 08, 2006 (3:20 pm)
link title (click the "movie" link at the bottom) Replies to this message: designman (Jan 08, 2006 3:40 pm)
#12640 of 24700 Re: LS460 video [syswei] by designman Jan 08, 2006 (3:40 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Jan 08, 2006 3:20 pm) Well, I am now convinced that the LF-Sh is the new LS. In my opinion it is a handsome car. Congrats to all of you LS fans and buyers! Enjoy it!
#12643 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [designman] by tagman Jan 08, 2006 (4:13 pm)
Replying to: designman (Jan 08, 2006 2:30 pm) Correct me if I am wrong but I believe it (Mercedes CLS) is the first car to look like a banana. You stand corrected. As much as I love the XJ Jaguar, I do not have the same feeling for the S-Type. Sorry, but the S-Type was the earlier banana. Replies to this message: designman (Jan 08, 2006 6:33 pm) tagman (Dec 13, 2005 7:15 pm)
#12644 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [dewey] by tagman Jan 08, 2006 (4:19 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Jan 08, 2006 2:54 pm) WOW! True situation. The 3-series is indeed the bread and butter car, but which model represents the ultimate BMW? The 3? The M3? What then?
#12645 of 24700 Re: 2005 sales [lexusguy] by brightness04 Jan 08, 2006 (4:21 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 08, 2006 4:01 am) Very well said, both Lexusguy and Oac. Lexus is the ultimate system integrator (the fundamental role of a carmaker). Other companies don't copy any specific Lexus product because they know damn well it's near-suicidal trying to compete against existing Lexus forte head-on. At the same time, everyone is trying to copy Lexus/Toyota manufacturing techniques . . . in the off chance that Lexus/Toyota should fumble, they may get a break to pull ahead. I'm sure some day that will happen too; Lexus/Toyota won't stay at the top for ever, but for now and the forseeable future . . .
#12646 of 24700 Re: Getting Drunk over the Lexus [ljflx] by tagman Jan 08, 2006 (4:25 pm)
Replying to: ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 2:18 pm) Tagman - I'm not a fan of model replica... So this cookie cutter stuff is not for me... We agree totally on this, ljflx. As I mentioned, Mercedes is apparently going to break out of this approach with the new upcoming models, but it definately appears, unfortunately, that Lexus is entering into this to a greater extent with its newer models. We'll see what difference it makes, if any. TagMan Replies to this message: ljflx (Jan 08, 2006 4:33 pm) tagman (Jan 08, 2006 4:43 pm)