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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#12523 of 24723 Re: 2005 sales [syswei]
Jan 05, 2006 (1:04 pm)
It wasn't you but maybe dewey or someone who not long ago was touting BMW as being the leading US seller of luxury CARS, to the exclusion of SUVs.
True and BMW is the number one luxury car seller in USA! And according to the latest statistics BMW cars have more momentum than BMW SUVs. Up to now nothing has changed.
Spin-Free Analysis of Undistorted Data
Annual sales of BMW's two SAV models are off 2 percent. The company reported sales of 68,367 vehicles compared to 69,829 in the same period of 2004. SAV sales were down 11 percent for the month to 5,954 vehicles, compared to 6,720 vehicles sold in December 2004.
Monthly sales of BMW automobiles were up 9.3 percent, to 20,510 cars compared to 18,762 sold in December 2004. Yearly automobile sales were up 4 percent, with 197,833 automobiles sold compared to 190,250 in the same period a year ago.
#12524 of 24723 My apologies: BMW for 2005
Jan 05, 2006 (1:29 pm)
The BMW sales numbers in my post #12515 are wrong!
I rechecked all the other brands and they are all correct.
Here is the right BMW sales data for 2005:
BMW cars +4.0%
BMW trucks -2.1%
Thanks for helping me notice my mistake, Dewey.
#12525 of 24723 Re: My apologies: BMW for 2005 [scott1256]
Jan 05, 2006 (2:08 pm)
LOL, I did not even notice your numbers were wrong.
But I am grateful to be of assistance even though my assistance was accidental.
#12526 of 24723 so in summary...
Jan 05, 2006 (2:13 pm)
When looking at BMW's performance, look only at CARS, because it makes BMW look better.
When looking at MB's 2005 performance, look at VEHICLES (cars + SUVs), because it makes MB look better.
When looking at Lexus' performance, look at whatever makes Lexus look worse.
That's the "new math", I guess. Or should I say "German math"?
#12527 of 24723 Well, Let's Use Some Basic Non-Sectarian Math
Jan 05, 2006 (3:00 pm)
December sales of the 5 series are up 25% over December 2004 and up 15.7% YTD.
December sales of the E are down 16.4% from December 2004 and down 14.5% YTD.
Thank you Chris Bangle for your daring and exciting new design which has so animated the LPS and HELM buying public.
Jan 05, 2006 (5:43 pm)
Some logic consistency please. If 14k units in the first model year is considered great sucess, the old GS and IS did just fine. Alternatively, you have to admit that numerous MB models "don't do squat for MB" either; the list would be a long one: SL, CL, CLK, CLS, S AMG, E AMG, C AMG, CL AMG, SLK AMG, G, G AMG, etc. etc, accounting for more than 3/4 models in the MB lineup.
#12529 of 24723 Re: Good news for Mercedes.... [merc1]
Jan 05, 2006 (5:47 pm)
Like I said before, the huge discounts that MB Financial was offering actually made them decent deals, assuming the lessor lives in the city and reliable car is not an indispensable requirement. The question it begs though, can we really call a $300-550/mo car brand "high end luxury marque"?
Jan 05, 2006 (5:59 pm)
BMW is the number one luxury car seller in USA!
I would not call 325i a luxury car. That model alone accounts for about half of all BMW car sales.
#12531 of 24723 Re: Well, Let's Use Some Basic Non-Sectarian Math [hpowders]
Jan 05, 2006 (7:43 pm)
The last model year sales are always awful in part because production is cut. So in every case the new model will look great comparatively to the prior year. This is true of any brand. I think the best way to look at first year model sales comparatively is against sales of the car that are two years removed from it as opposed to the prior year.
Jan 05, 2006 (7:47 pm)
In hindsight - If you bought an auto stock I hope it was Toyota's. I remember talking about this two months ago and DCX is flat vs a big run-up by Toyota. As I said back then Toyota was the growth buy and still is.