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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#12511 of 24726 Mercedes, Jag, Cadillac.... [merc1]
Jan 05, 2006 (5:14 am)
Neither did I forsee Benz passing BMW for December. Back in April/May MB's prospects for 2005 weren't very bright.
Cadillac cars had another double digit year: +13.3%. Sales have increased now to the point that further big increases will be a challenge.
Jaguar - things are looking grim. Sales were down 33.7% in 2005, dropping from 45,000+ units to just over 30,000.
Profits from 30,000 sales won't cover development costs for the upcoming new generation of cars. How long will/can Ford keep funding Jag's losses?
#12512 of 24726 Re: Happy New Year - belatedly [oac]
Jan 05, 2006 (5:18 am)
Once a car yenta, always a car yenta!
Jan 05, 2006 (7:47 am)
2005 units sold, YTY change
Lexus 302,895 +5.5%
BMW (exludes Mini) 266,200 +2.4%
Cadillac 235,002 +0.3%
MB 224,489 +1.2%
Acura 209,610 +5.7%
Infiniti 136,401 +4.5%
Jaguar 30,424 -33.7%
#12515 of 24726 Re: 2005 sales [syswei]
Jan 05, 2006 (8:29 am)
Those totals include both cars and trucks.
Here are some makes with car/truck sales split.
Lexus cars +11.5% trucks +0.4%
Infinity cars +9.6% trucks -5.6%
Cadillac cars +13.4 trucks -19.6%.
Mercedes cars -5.8% trucks +51.8%
Porsche cars +36.6% trucks -24.9%
Jaguar cars -33.7%
Acura cars +9.1% trucks -2.3%
BMW cars -2.1% trucks +6.7%
The M and R classes are boosting MB: BMW trucks are doing well. The Cayenne, MDX and Escalade aren't moving but Porsche, Acura and Cadillac cars are booming.
#12516 of 24726 Re: 2005 sales [scott1256]
Jan 05, 2006 (8:39 am)
Scott, thanks for that analysis.
Certain german car fans tend to dismiss Lexus because it is so dependent on truck sales. But now in 2005 MB turned in a respectable year overall, basically because of a rejuvenated truck line.
Maybe trucks matter now?
#12517 of 24726 Truck/car sales [syswei]
Jan 05, 2006 (8:59 am)
The blend of trucks sold vs. cars seems to vary from year to year.
Cayenne really boosted Porsche sales when it first came out. It is still a big seller by Porsche standards but the Boxster is very hot right now.
The Escalade line was big for several years. The new Cadillac cars are selling very well, overshadowing the trucks.
I expect the new cars from Mercedes will put MB trucks in the shade in 2006.
But remember - my predictions aren't always right!
#12519 of 24726 Re: 2005 sales [syswei]
Jan 05, 2006 (9:12 am)
Certain german car fans tend to dismiss Lexus because it is so dependent on truck sales.
Only when certain Lexus fans harp about Lexus sales and how it implies superior cars, overlooking the fact that up until now two out of four of Lexus' cars (GS IS) didn't do squat for Lexus' overall sales picture. The implication was that the Lexus sales machine was built on the back of an all-star lineup of bestsellers and nothing could have been further from the truth.
Never said that they didn't count only that they didn't always fit in with all the Lexus sales rhetoric.
That about MB having benefited primarily from a totally rejuvenated truck line isn't correct either. The M-Class is the only new "truck" for 2005 that really did anything. The R went on sale late in the year and barely did anything until Dec, and even then it only added 4959 units for the year! Hardly much to base that rejuvenated truck line statement on. Secondly the CLS and SLK did a lot to boost that final number also, especially the CLS which is an all-new model that didn't replace an existing model. The CLS alone added 14K units to the sales total for 2005, more than the SLK and more than M-Class' increase in units vs 2004. It goes CLS,ML,SLK and then R in that order as to what model did the most for MB in 2005. The only reason the press release is touting a big jump in "truck" sales is because MB didn't sell many "trucks" in 2004 to begin with.
#12520 of 24726 Re: 2005 sales [merc1]
Jan 05, 2006 (10:15 am)
I think the CLS is a big winner. I hope it continues in the MB line for more than just the current model cycle. Sales of the new SLK are a pleasant surprise.
A CLS in Alabaster/Sunset Red, Bordeaux/Cashmere or Silver/Sunset Red is stunning. IMO the kind of car that invites you to walk around observing it from all points of the compass.
If you buy me a CLS you can choose the color for me as long as it isn't black. Summers are way too hot in the badlands for black cars or black interiors.