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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#12377 of 24723 Re: With The Fabulous [dewey] by brightness04

Dec 27, 2005 (11:24 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Dec 27, 2005 10:27 pm)
Your G35 and BMW 3 series sales figures are both wrong.
 
Please follow thread before making accusations. Those numbers were not mine. They were quoted from bdr127's post regarding 2004 sales. As for G35 vs 3, please note:
(1) only 330i is really relevent; 325i is a poser mobile that has no counterpart in the G; 325i accounts for something like 70-80% of 3 sedan sales
(2) I never claimed G outsells 3, only that many would-be 3 buyers bought G instead in the last go-around, so your point that the new 3 (especially 325i) outsells the long-in-the-tooth G35 is quite irrelevent.

#12378 of 24723 Re: I Repeat [hpowders] by brightness04

Dec 27, 2005 (11:32 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Dec 27, 2005 7:56 pm)
I can only conclude that the 71,177 people who bought or leased the G in 2004 did so because they simply couldn't afford to move up to the ultimate driving machine which is the amazing and incomparable 330i, the undisputed leader in the entry level luxury performance sedan category.
 
You can conclude whatever you wish. My conclusion was that, until the arrival of the 2006 model year E90 330i in the Spring of 2005, BMW 3 series was way underpowered when compared to the G. Also, the E46 was too small when compard to G. Performance sedan is by definition a compromise . . . an entry level luxury performance sedan is more so . . . different people simply make different compromises.

#12379 of 24723 Re: Heh! Heh! [hpowders] by brightness04

Dec 27, 2005 (11:38 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Dec 27, 2005 9:33 pm)
I don't think 330i ever outsold G35. 3 series sales over-all is 70-80% in 325i. No one in his/her right mind would claim 325i (E46 or E90) out-performs G35.

#12380 of 24723 Re: How little has change in 35 years! [dewey] by brightness04

Dec 27, 2005 (11:42 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Dec 27, 2005 10:29 pm)
Thanks for answering a question I never asked in the first place. The MB product range in Canada is larger than that of the USA. MB Canada sells the B Class and Smart cars.
 
Thanks for reminding us how far from prestige MB has descended. Don't get angry with me. You are the one who try to deride me for talking about S350 before knowing that it actually is sold in North America.

#12381 of 24723 Re: How little has change in 35 years! [merc1] by brightness04

Dec 27, 2005 (11:47 pm)

Replying to: merc1 (Dec 27, 2005 11:19 pm)
LS430 out-handles variants of S-class quite well. Have you driven an S600 lately? Quite a porker indeed. Spinning and twisting won't work here indeed, M(itsbishi).

#12382 of 24723 Re: French Jaguar [merc1] by brightness04

Dec 27, 2005 (11:51 pm)

Replying to: merc1 (Dec 27, 2005 11:21 pm)
Prestige.
 
Prestige my you-know-what. Massive discount in pricing is reflective of massive loss in prestige.
 
Bull, plain and simple. Did it ever occur to you that the current S-Class is being discounted heavily because uh...in about 45 days a new version goes on sale?
 
LS430 is being replaced very soon as well; do you see 30% discount on them? Of course not. Is R class being replaced soon? Is E class being replaced soon? Both MB models have massive discounts. "Bull, plain and simple."

#12383 of 24723 Re: How little has change in 35 years! [brightness04] by merc1

Dec 27, 2005 (11:55 pm)

Replying to: brightness04 (Dec 27, 2005 11:47 pm)
Dude the LS430 doesn't outhandle anything in this class. Nope, haven't driven a S600. Now one minute the LS430 doesn't compete with the S600, but now it does? I mean which is it? If I were to bring up that a S600 would blow the doors off a LS430 it would be seen as desperate and what not, yet you feel the need to bring up that LS430 could (in your words) outhandles a S600. Thats wrong too because the S600 has standard ABC suspension that is stiffer than the Airmatic setup on the S430/600 models. The S600's suspension is closer to the S55's and we all know a LS430 doesn't have a prayer of out handling a S55.
 
To make matters even worse you can't even get a LS430 with its wannabe Euro option. A Euro LS430 is more exotic than a VW Phaeton.
 
M

#12384 of 24723 Re: French Jaguar [brightness04] by merc1

Dec 27, 2005 (11:57 pm)

Replying to: brightness04 (Dec 27, 2005 11:51 pm)
LS430 is being replaced very soon as well; do you see 30% discount on them? Of course not. Is R class being replaced soon? Is E class being replaced soon? Both MB models have massive discounts. "Bull, plain and simple."
 
Nope because the LS430 has at least 9 more months to go, not 30 days! Big difference. I already acknowledged that the R-Class launch didn't go well. Even I got an email and a flyer in the mail about the R-Class.
 
Problem is you're trying to imply that the S-Class has been discounted at the current level all the time and that simply isn't true.
 
M

#12385 of 24723 Re: How little has change in 35 years! [merc1] by brightness04

Dec 28, 2005 (12:00 am)

Replying to: merc1 (Dec 27, 2005 11:55 pm)
Stiff suspension does not mean good handling. S600 positively plows thanks to its weight up front . . . the most terrible setup for a RWD car, a big reason why AMG did not make anything based on that V12 power plant.
 
LS430 handles plenty good enough for this class.

#12386 of 24723 Re: French Jaguar [merc1] by brightness04

Dec 28, 2005 (12:04 am)

Replying to: merc1 (Dec 27, 2005 11:57 pm)
Still does not explain why E class is being heavily discounted. I will tell you why, the auto industry turning drasticly down in the last few months . . . as they say, when tide goes out, we get to see who's been swimming naked.

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