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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#12205 of 24723 Re: ALG [bdr127] by bdr127

Dec 19, 2005 (9:21 am)

Replying to: bdr127 (Dec 19, 2005 9:11 am)
Thought I'd add more ALG residual values detail:
 
ALG's 2006 Vehicle 36mo Residuals
 
Luxury Brands:
1) BMW - 53.6
2) Lexus - 52.5
3) Land Rover - 51.2
4) Mercedes - 50.8
5) Acura - 50.4
6) Infiniti - 50.0
7) Audi - 48.7
8) Cadillac - 47.8
9) Volvo - 44.9
10) Saab - 43.8
11) Lincoln - 40.2
12) Jaguar - 38.1
Industry Average - 49.4
 
Non-Luxury Brands:
1) Honda - 53.0
2) Toyota - 51.8
3) Volkswagen - 50.6
4) Subaru - 50.5
5) Nissan - 48.6
6) Jeep - 46.8
7) Mazda - 46.5
8) Saturn - 44.6
9) GMC - 44.6
10) Chrysler - 43.3
11) Hyundai - 42.9
12) Pontiac - 42.1
13) Ford - 41.8
14) Chevrolet - 41.7
15) Mitsubishi - 41.5
16) Mercury - 41.4
17) Dodge - 40.0
18) Suzuki - 38.2
19) Kia - 38.1
20) Buick - 37.9
Industry Average - 44.5

#12206 of 24723 Re: ALG [bdr127] by bdr127

Dec 19, 2005 (9:25 am)

Replying to: bdr127 (Dec 19, 2005 9:21 am)
I just realized that ALG didn't include Mini, which is owned by BMW.... Mini won KBB's award this year for highest resale value, so I wonder where ALG put them.

#12207 of 24723 Re: ALG [bdr127] by ljflx

Dec 19, 2005 (9:52 am)

Replying to: bdr127 (Dec 19, 2005 9:25 am)
Predictions - worthless in my book.
 
If they had posted what the result was for achievement of residuals for the 2002 models and compared it to their future predictions it'd be worth something. That way they'd have to explain why things will change or why they will remain the same, whatever the case may be. I said it before and I'll say it again - agressiveness/risk in lease residuals will get you the number one prize every year.

#12208 of 24723 Re: ALG [ljflx] by dewey

Dec 19, 2005 (10:22 am)

Replying to: ljflx (Dec 19, 2005 9:52 am)
I said it before and I'll say it again - agressiveness/risk in lease residuals will get you the number one prize every year.
 
So BMW plays with the residual values/subsidies in order to accomplish a good rating. A wonderful rumor which cannot be substantiated unless you know the level of subsidies involved! And you know how worthy unsubstantiated rumors are, dont you?
 
they had posted what the result was for achievement of residuals for the 2002 models and compared it to their future predictions it'd be worth something.
 
Interesting approach but it appears to be quite worthless in the industry. Otherwise if your approach was better BDD and ALG would consider using your approach instead. But they dont.

#12209 of 24723 Re: ALG [ljflx] by hpowders

Dec 19, 2005 (10:23 am)

Replying to: ljflx (Dec 19, 2005 9:52 am)
Speaking of aggresiveness, BMW has outdone itself.
 
They are offering irresistible residuals on 24 month leases:
 
325i and 525i: 76%
 
530i: 74%
 
550: 70%
 
That 325i subsidy has got to be the best bargain in town.
 
If I wasn't already tied up with my 545...ah, I can't even think about it... my wife would kill me!

#12211 of 24723 Re: ALG [dewey] by ljflx

Dec 19, 2005 (10:35 am)

Replying to: dewey (Dec 19, 2005 10:22 am)
"So BMW plays with the residual values/subsidies in order to accomplish a good rating"
 
No - they play with residuals so they can move cars more easily.
 
"Interesting approach but it appears to be quite worthless in the industry"
 
In my book I'll go by past history rather than future predictions. How what is achieved is worthless and what is predicted is the currency to judge things by is beyond any logic I have in me.

#12212 of 24723 Re: ALG [bdr127] by brightness04

Dec 19, 2005 (12:57 pm)

Replying to: bdr127 (Dec 19, 2005 9:11 am)
You know what they say about forward looking statements in the financial consulting industry We are talking about minute differentiations here. Is ALG the oracle?
 
Also, how exactly are the different vehicle models weighed within a brand?
 
For what it's worth, ALG also puts out a Depreciatong Ratings list with a more sensible 5-star rating system instead of three-digit accuracy that can not possibly be predicted three years into the future (not the least of which would be the value of US dollar, which if ALG could predict with three-significant number accuracy should be at the bond and currency trading desk making billions of selling peanut consulting papers). While Lexus and Toyota each has four models in the 5-star ratings, not a single BMW model makes it into the 5-star list.

#12213 of 24723 Re: ALG [ljflx] by bdr127

Dec 19, 2005 (2:06 pm)

Replying to: ljflx (Dec 19, 2005 9:52 am)
Why is it that all the Lexicons say that predictions are worthless when it comes to residual/resale, but predictions trump all when it comes to reliability. Clearly both are based on prior performance and current status/value of the vehicles.
 
Lexicons: Once and for all.... You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

#12214 of 24723 Re: ALG [brightness04] by bdr127

Dec 19, 2005 (2:08 pm)

Replying to: brightness04 (Dec 19, 2005 12:57 pm)
Is ALG the oracle?
 
Ummm, yes.
 
Virtually all financial/leasing institutions reference ALG to come up with their leasing residuals. ALG has already done all the extensive research (and they've been doing it for yeeeears) and they have a proven track record of accurately predicting future values. If they didn't, then they wouldn't be used as THE source for residual values.

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