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You are in the Sedans
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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#11781 of 24723 Re: True Luxury Cars. READ THIS!! by TagMan [ljflx]
Dec 07, 2005 (10:27 pm)
In all honesty do you really think a young company that has blown past them (sales, quality, customer satisfaction, retained value, dealer service - and remember many who own Lexus dealers also own MB and other lux dealerships) in the largest and most profitable market in the world is not a key focus? Because if that's the case then they have managers who cannot see the future. That was certainly the case in 1990 and for the Germans sake I hope it isn't the same now.
Did you read my entire post? I clearly stated that Lexus is probably the focus of everyone when it comes to quality and reliability. The problem with you guys is that you would like to believe the BMW/Mercedes are up all hours of the night having emergency meetings about what to do about Lexus. That notion is just plain ridiculous. Sure they think about Lexus, but probably nearly as much as you'd like to think they do. In Europe, you know where these cars companies are headquartered, they still think about each other, MB/BMW/Audi than Lexus because Lexus isn't even a spec on the map, yet. I'm sure the brand managers here think about Lexus/Acura/Infiniti a lot because of the things you've mentioned - never denied that. What I disagree with is the bs about them being obsessed with Lexus. Also, no Lexus fan will ever admit that Lexus is nothing more than a wannabe synthetic brand with the biggest case of envy in the world. I mean how ridiculous is it to constantly advertise your cars as being German in commercials/brochures etc. to fool someone into think they're actually German cars? The Germans don't do this wannabe stuff, yet Lexus fans probably think Lexus doesn't think anything about MB or BMW right? If anyone thinks about someone all the time its Lexus. Mercedes for 15 years and now BMW.
#11782 of 24723 Re: scathing comment about MB E-brakes from AE [lexusguy]
Dec 07, 2005 (10:33 pm)
Typical comments from him I guess. I'm aware they're dropping it. This is what they have to do in order to convince those who think the system is faulty in every car out there - forgetting the fact the problem only cropped up in a some high-mileage German taxicabs. Most people wouldn't even know anything about the brakes if weren't for something they read and then ran with - as is done often around here.
Lexus uses something similar and the complaints have been the same about feel, use etc.
As for the Autoextremiest, you should read what he said about Toyota and their preaching about hybrids, equally scathing - which I agree with.
#11783 of 24723 Re: Value of Free Maintenance [ljflx]
Dec 07, 2005 (10:39 pm)
No wonder they are going for a price increase on the S. They want you to pay for their past mistakes and give you a bunch of marketing BS as window dressing.
Does that fall under the same BS that Toyota gave about "helping GM"? Funny how only German car companies give "BS" according to those on this board.
Did it ever occur to you that the S-Class price increase could be because it is a better built car than before? Why is every single thing that Mercedes does is so wrong and/or bad for the consumer and just bs? Totally ridiculous.
#11784 of 24723 Re: True Luxury Cars. READ THIS!! by TagMan [merc1]
Dec 07, 2005 (10:57 pm)
Also, no Lexus fan will ever admit that Lexus is nothing more than a wannabe synthetic brand with the biggest case of envy in the world.
Hmmm !! "Lexus is a wannabe synthetic brand...." This, I suppose is meant to get a rise out of Lex fans, eh ? Sorry.
I mean how ridiculous is it to constantly advertise your cars as being German in commercials/brochures etc. to fool someone into think they're actually German cars?
Lexus now mimicks German cars in ads? What is a German car ad like ? Is there something unique to them - makes them so German ??? Hmmmm !!! I suppose Lexus is designed like German cars, looks like German cars, can often be mistaken for a German car, and is named after a German car... Otherwise, its a German...err Japanese car !
The Germans don't do this wannabe stuff, yet Lexus fans probably think Lexus doesn't think anything about MB or BMW right? If anyone thinks about someone all the time its Lexus. Mercedes for 15 years and now BMW.
The Germans could do no wrong ! They don't do wannabe stuff like Lexus. Lexus thinks about MB all the time for the last 15 years....
Do you seriously believe all these stuff you wrote here, or were these written out of anger at Lex fans? Just to kinda get back at them ?
#11785 of 24723 Re: True Luxury Cars. READ THIS!! by TagMan [oac]
Dec 07, 2005 (11:16 pm)
Do you seriously believe all these stuff you wrote here, or were these written out of anger at Lex fans? Just too kinda get back at them ?
I ask the same questions when I see sales numbers given in which Lexus' sales are padded with an extra month or when I see bogus things written about Mercedes' systems failing and how MB invited journalists to come to MB and watch them botch a test of their own systems. I'm thinking does this person really believe this stuff.
You obviously missed the point about Lexus and their German slant in their ads and no brochures (IS). I didn't say the mimic German car ads - big difference. They're trying to mimic Germans period!
The point is what you and others have constantly tried to force the theory about BMW/Mercedes worrying and/or envying Lexus and the truth of the matter is Lexus is the one with the envy problems. BMW and Mercedes don't shoot entire brochures in Japan and pretend their cars are Japanese. What Lexus does is pure envy and wannabe - which is my point. They are just that a synthetic brand - made up during a Toyota board meeting in 1987. Even sillier is that someone else already had the name and Toyota had to switch from the original spelling they were going to use "Lexis" to "Lexus".
Are you really going to try and pretend that Lexus didn't have Mercedes on the brain when designing their most prestigious car to look and act like a Mercedes? If you really think that then your bias has really run away with reason. Lexus' whole being was to take on Mercedes, and now they've switched to BMW only to come up short.
#11787 of 24723 Re: And The Best Part Is.... [nvbanker]
Dec 07, 2005 (11:25 pm)
I was a Fireman and I retired as a Fire Chief. My salary was right at 100k as Chief I'm now 62 and retired, so what kind of car did I buy with my pension? A used 03 BMW 540i 6 speed.
#11788 of 24723 Re: I Agree to Disagree.. [oac]
Dec 08, 2005 (4:33 am)
But where are the conspiracy CLAIMS you were so offended by ? Now its BMW shmucks.... Hmmmmm !!! This is what I mean that you like arguing for the heck of it... I'm done
Who is arguing for the heck of it? You or me or both of us?
I believe most forum members here are here to discuss and debate their opinions. And frequently visit this forum just for the heck of it!
Nothing wrong with that, dont you think?
#11789 of 24723 Re: And The Best Part Is.... [chiefwej]
Dec 08, 2005 (4:38 am)
Wish I could help you but I have never owned a BMW540i.
May I suggest that you visit Edmunds BMW forums! I believe if I am not mistaken that there are forums dealing solely with BMW540is. At least over there you will be more likely to find someone who can answer your question.
But what I do know is that the current Consumers Report reliability statistics on the 03 model appears to be bulletproof!
An 03 540i is a hoot to drive and reliable! Sounds like a good combo to me!
Good luck with your choice!
#11790 of 24723 Re: I Agree to Disagree.. [tagman]
Dec 08, 2005 (5:44 am)
It says too many repairs being brought in for free!