Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#11627 of 24723 Re: Things change quickly. [nvbanker]
Dec 04, 2005 (12:49 am)
Yeah, that one merc - and the C-240 Sedan as well. I've had rentals that were a disgrace in the cabin.
No argument from me there, the 2001-2004 so C-Class was put together by a different company it seems, just like the 2000-2002 S-Class, very suspect. The 2005 model C feels like a different car altogether. Even one of the biggest critics (C&D) gushed over the interior quality of the C recently of a C350 Sport. Why Mercedes though they could get away with that, and the 1999-2005 M-Class is beyond me.
#11628 of 24723 People turn 62 every day
Dec 04, 2005 (7:32 am)
"Somebody has to make cars for them."
Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present the Lexus LS430.
It is the car for "them."
#11629 of 24723 Re: Things change quickly. [merc1]
Dec 04, 2005 (10:25 am)
Mercedes has gotten away with a lot in recent history. The company has enormous untapped potential, and for the life of me, I don't know why they don't use more of it.
#11630 of 24723 Toyota/Lexus Hubris
Dec 04, 2005 (12:46 pm)
Is Toyota/Lexus like GM/Cadillac three deades ago?
As I notice this forum loves to bash everything related to GM and Ford ,Mr. Dave Power(founder of JD Power)has the following words to say about Toyota:
He even worries about Toyota, his first client and the world's most successful automaker. Industry analysts suggest Toyota will pass General Motors in 2006 to become the world's No. 1 automaker.
``Today, at Toyota, there's nobody left from when I was there in 1968,'' he said. ``Some of the younger people act a little bit like how GM people were 50 years ago.''
That potential for corporate hubris might be Toyota's biggest challenge in the years ahead, he said.
#11631 of 24723 Re: i love this forum....just like old times!!!! [nvbanker]
Dec 04, 2005 (1:09 pm)
This isn't the hybrid forum, I noted, but I'm not yet sold on the hybrid, mostly because of the initial cost increase over the standard model
Lexus currently has hybrids!
BMW, MB, Porsche and Acura have indicated an interest in future hybrid vehicles!
How can hybrids not be considered a part of a high marque vehicle discussion? They are a part of this topic as engines and transmissions are a important part of this forum.
Personally I prefer potent turbodiesels than hybrids. Discussing hybrid or turbodiesel high marque vehicles should not be out of bounds here!
#11632 of 24723 Re: i love this forum....just like old times!!!! [dewey]
Dec 04, 2005 (2:19 pm)
I personally have to agree with you. Your point is so well presented. As the hybrid discussion relates to high-end vehicles, it is totally appropriate, IMHO.
#11633 of 24723 Re: Toyota/Lexus Hubris [dewey]
Dec 04, 2005 (3:44 pm)
"Today, at Toyota, there's nobody left from when I was there in 1968,'' he said. ``Some of the younger people act a little bit like how GM people were 50 years ago.''"
What a surprise that comment is. Let's see - how many company's are in the world today that existed 38 years ago? That's about how many company's you can substitute for Toyota in Power's comment.
#11634 of 24723 Re: Toyota/Lexus Hubris [ljflx]
Dec 04, 2005 (4:52 pm)
I understood the point "dewey" was making to be that there might be a similarity between GM "then" and Toyota "now", and that history could possibly repeat itself. OBVIOUSLY the same employees don't last forever, but perhaps the circumstances are similar. Personally, I don't think Toyota and GM share a doomed destiny, but the question is legitimate enough.
#11635 of 24723 Re: Toyota/Lexus Hubris [tagman]
Dec 04, 2005 (5:13 pm)
Disagree. The auto world is far more competitive and globalized today and execs have learned the lessons that others failed at. The Japanese are also much more meticulous than the American counterparts of the past. The smugness of GM in the past is haevily tied to a smaller less competitive market of auto manufacturers. Look to MB and BMW exec comments over the years as much more repetitive of the arrogance once shown by GM.
#11636 of 24723 Re: People turn 62 every day [hpowders]
Dec 04, 2005 (5:19 pm)
"Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present the Lexus LS430.
It is the car for "them."
No kidding, hpowders. I have one. Problem is, I'm only 52, not 62, and the LS430 is pretty expensive. Saw a new one at the Motor Trend snow last weekend that went for 75,000. Mine stickered new at 61,000. Lincolns can be had for the mid $40s - a more mainstream price for masses of 62 years olds. That's all I'm saying. Cadillac has left that market and is more in the Lexus-BMW camp now, but BMW is not usually a pensioner's car.