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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#11526 of 24723 Re: BMW Growth [ljflx] by dewey

Nov 26, 2005 (9:55 pm)

Replying to: ljflx (Nov 26, 2005 9:24 pm)
Does he even realize that Nadsaq, the Dow and the S&P are at the highest levels they've been at in 4 years?
 
So is Purvey an idiot or genius for being worried while stock markets are humming along? In all honesty who knows, not even the Oracle of Omaha makes Index bets! But let us consider the following:
 
The Dow Jones was hitting all time highs and the the Great Depression followed!
 
The US stock indexes in the early 70s was doing wonderful primaily due to Nifty 50 stocks but was followed by a serious recession.
 
And 2001 was a wonderful year to be in Nasdaq stocks and I guess you know the rest.
 
OK since I made a promise on a prior post to focus on cars I have provided a link to a article on the luxury car market!
 
Any luxury car executive who reads the the trends in the article should be worried!
 
Worried You Bet!!!!

#11527 of 24723 Re: BMW Growth [dewey] by ljflx

Nov 26, 2005 (9:58 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Nov 26, 2005 9:55 pm)
Sorry Dewey - any exec who says hes surprised someone is buying his company's product is an idiot in my book. In a strong global economy he's an even bigger idiot. Stocks are trading at low multiples - your examples don't work in that situation. The S&P and nasdaq are trading at a fraction of the multiples they traded at in bubbles. They are actually too low which is why the rally has a lot of leg left in it.

#11528 of 24723 Interesting point but.... by dewey

Nov 26, 2005 (10:20 pm)

Stocks are trading at low multiples - your examples don't work in that situation. The S&P and nasdaq are trading at a fraction of the multiples they traded at in bubbles. They are actually too low which is why the rally has a lot of leg left in it.
 
I dont know what the markets will be in the future? In fact I dont really care! My daily focus is finding good individual stocks with a margin of safety and currently I am having the toughest time in my career finding such equities in the USA and Canada! IMO that to me does not indicate low markets in North America!
 
I find your opinions interesting, but I guess we are both here to focus on car opinions.

#11530 of 24723 Re: 7% increase in S price means high quality ??? by greenbelt

Nov 27, 2005 (9:00 am)

Replying to: dewey (Nov 15, 2005 9:22 pm)
Since when?
 
Everyone in the world of car manufacturing knows that higher quality and reliability go hand-in-hand and REDUCE costs.
 
For example, rare leather hides mis-sewn into seats are indeed expensive but are a low quality product. It cost a lot to make them poorly, and even more to fix them later. The same is true product line wide, C, E, S, etc.
 
Mercedes is in CYA mode as they spend the next decade trying to get anywhere close to Lexus quality and reliability, they are going to be much more friendly in their stores to their 'passionate' customers that spend a lot of time there. Guess where the funding for that 'attitude' change is coming from? Yep, 7% here, 5% there in new car prices.
 
They have a huge hill to climb and they are also merchandising themselves far beyond likely performance.
 
Clock's ticking, methinks.

#11532 of 24723 Re: Buying advice on Jaguar XJ [lexusguy] by nvbanker

Nov 27, 2005 (7:40 pm)

Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 25, 2005 12:22 pm)
Totally agree with you lg. Especially about buying 3 yr old Jags, and not with the rubberband tires, which are impossible to keep going, in my experience.

#11533 of 24723 Re: Buying advice on Jaguar XJ [melmel2] by lexusguy

Nov 27, 2005 (9:09 pm)

Replying to: melmel2 (Nov 26, 2005 11:22 am)
What distinctive feature? I know the Portfolio has that little side vent (which, by the way, has been on the Range Rover for years) but I havent heard anything else about any kind of major styling changes, or any changes at all to the X, S, or XJ. I do like the new XK quite a bit, and I definitely plan to take a long look at a '07... in '10.

#11534 of 24723 Re: 7% increase in S price means high quality ??? [greenbelt] by oac

Nov 28, 2005 (12:46 pm)

Replying to: greenbelt (Nov 27, 2005 9:00 am)
Mercedes is in CYA mode as they spend the next decade trying to get anywhere close to Lexus quality and reliability....
 
They have a huge hill to climb and they are also merchandising themselves far beyond likely performance.
  
Clock's ticking, methinks.
 
Sssssshhhhhh !!!!! Be careful here...Before long you'd be accused of predicting MB's demise at a time they are undergoing a resurgence and revival in fortunes... Ticking clock on MB's watch ???? Forgetaboutit....
 
Time is an enemy sometimes....

#11535 of 24723 Brand name can be an illusion by tagman

Nov 28, 2005 (1:01 pm)

So, Mercedes sells more cars with poor quality because they have a HISTORY of selling great cars. Jaguar, on the other hand, struggles to get past the old reputation of unreliable cars, yet their cars today, on average, are more reliable than Mercedes, by a significant margin!!! Mercedes is fortunate to have that history, even if the cars it builds today have problems, because it gives them another chance to meet customers EXPECTATIONS. Jaguar, in contrast, is slowly overcoming a big hurdle. I really hope they pull it off. Their cars are freakin' gorgeous compared to Mercedes or just about anything for that matter.

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